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Re: Elite series DQ St. Johns 2025 [Re: Barrett] #15342371 02/26/25 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Barrett
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DO AWAY WITH THE NO INFO RULE. Everybody and their dog knows the young cats are all getting information thats how they are able to compete bodies of water so large it takes more years than they have been alive to be competitive and learn. Its damn near impossible to not break this rule... just do away with it. They all break it. Every single of one of them somehow someway.

This is ignorant- you are claiming the young guys are all cheating- is that you Randy?



No I dont hide behind a screen name. My name is Barrett. Im claiming the young guys are getting info.

They must be able to beat a polygraph then- seems like a ridiculous claim with zero evidence to back it up.

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Re: Elite series DQ St. Johns 2025 [Re: nfhbass] #15342375 02/26/25 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by nfhbass
When did the no info rules go into effect?

Kudos to Scott for not acting like a 5 year old taking his toys and going home when he got caught.

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Re: Elite series DQ St. Johns 2025 [Re: grandbassslayer] #15342377 02/26/25 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by grandbassslayer
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DO AWAY WITH THE NO INFO RULE. Everybody and their dog knows the young cats are all getting information thats how they are able to compete bodies of water so large it takes more years than they have been alive to be competitive and learn. Its damn near impossible to not break this rule... just do away with it. They all break it. Every single of one of them somehow someway.

This is ignorant- you are claiming the young guys are all cheating- is that you Randy?



No I dont hide behind a screen name. My name is Barrett. Im claiming the young guys are getting info.

They must be able to beat a polygraph then- seems like a ridiculous claim with zero evidence to back it up.


Don’t attack Baylorbassguy, he’s right, these information rules are dumb.

Re: Elite series DQ St. Johns 2025 [Re: Lone_Wolf] #15342381 02/26/25 10:03 PM
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Re: Elite series DQ St. Johns 2025 [Re: Douglas J] #15342386 02/26/25 10:13 PM
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If that’s a two pack, shove the other in whiny little beeeyatch James watsons fat mouth.


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Re: Elite series DQ St. Johns 2025 [Re: TxBazzn] #15342543 02/27/25 01:13 AM
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Why are they fining Scott Martin when he self-reported it, and before the event? The DQ is harsh enough. I understand a fine if you don't self-report, but this is where they start to lose me. He did everything the right way and the penalty is the same as if he got popped on a polygraph after the tournament. They are incentivizing guys to not self-report and take a chance at not getting caught.

If you report it before the tournament and it's truly trivial information they should just distribute that information to all the contestants to make it even. If the discussion had happened on this forum it's considered public knowledge and it's not a problem. Just make it public info and let everyone fish.

Re: Elite series DQ St. Johns 2025 [Re: vdavid] #15342549 02/27/25 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by vdavid
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Why are they fining Scott Martin when he self-reported it, and before the event? The DQ is harsh enough. I understand a fine if you don't self-report, but this is where they start to lose me. He did everything the right way and the penalty is the same as if he got popped on a polygraph after the tournament. They are incentivizing guys to not self-report and take a chance at not getting caught.

If you report it before the tournament and it's truly trivial information they should just distribute that information to all the contestants to make it even. If the discussion had happened on this forum it's considered public knowledge and it's not a problem. Just make it public info and let everyone fish.


How about no info rules?

Re: Elite series DQ St. Johns 2025 [Re: H2O Seeker] #15342564 02/27/25 01:25 AM
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I don’t like the no info rule but I don’t fish bass elites but Herren could have self reported so that’s on him .

So having a convo with your son about fishing is now soliciting information?

At worst BASS could have based a decision on precedent set in the Open and fined Herren. Full DQ provides optics that will negatively impact rules enforcement in the future.

Florida Fish & Game (FWC) should have been contacted and cited each of the offenders who broke the no-wake zones along with the 30-minute penalty. BASS rules should not supersede state laws.


It's not a state or FWC mandated no wake zone at the train bridge - in fact it's not a no wake zone at all... Only Bassmaster applies a no wake at that bridge. So while Bassmaster event rules were broken, no state laws were.

Unlike the upteen no wake and 30mph limit zones around Astor and south... now those damn zones are legit, and the FWC has an office/dock right there, and are always watching lol.

Re: Elite series DQ St. Johns 2025 [Re: TxBazzn] #15342570 02/27/25 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by TxBazzn
Why are they fining Scott Martin when he self-reported it, and before the event? The DQ is harsh enough. I understand a fine if you don't self-report, but this is where they start to lose me. He did everything the right way and the penalty is the same as if he got popped on a polygraph after the tournament. They are incentivizing guys to not self-report and take a chance at not getting caught.


I agree with this as well... it basically sets up a precedent where some will just say eff it, the penatly is the same whether I self report or maybe get caught later, but maybe not - so might as well roll the dice and see if they get away with it... There def some guys out there who would lean towards the latter...

DQ is harsh enough, no need for a fine on top of that, imo.

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Pro bass fishing is like listening to a catchy song that you don’t like, but for whatever reason also can’t stop listening to. I have realize came dislike it, but I still follow, for now, really don’t know why.

Re: Elite series DQ St. Johns 2025 [Re: nfhbass] #15342626 02/27/25 02:33 AM
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Pro bass fishing is like listening to a catchy song that you don’t like, but for whatever reason also can’t stop listening to. I have realize came dislike it, but I still follow, for now, really don’t know why.

It’s like watching nascar for the wrecks…😆

Re: Elite series DQ St. Johns 2025 [Re: Lone_Wolf] #15342630 02/27/25 02:42 AM
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Re: Elite series DQ St. Johns 2025 [Re: nfhbass] #15342668 02/27/25 03:11 AM
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Watch this:

https://youtu.be/WQpKXcf-RE8?feature=shared

At 11:25 Randy Howell talks about heading to Venice because a friend told him there were better fish there.

At 26:30 the eventual winner Scott Martin tells us that his friend told him where to go in mobile bay.

So weird watching the JM crew do a FLW tournament and not Bassmaster

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Re: Elite series DQ St. Johns 2025 [Re: Douglas J] #15342913 02/27/25 02:26 PM
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I believe that if Scott's side of the story is true, this actually sets the absolute opposite precedent that needs to be set. If you do the right thing and report that you were in an area that dock talk was taking place, then you guarantee that you get DQ'd, you get a fine, guarantee yourself a bottom 5 to 10 in AOY, guarantee that you won't make the classic, and maybe even put your AOY average to stay in the Elite's at risk, . If you don't do the right thing and just fish the event without reporting, one of two things is going to happen. Scenario A: you fish the event, finish where you finish, don't get the polygraph, get your points, and move on down the road. Scenario B: you fish the even, get the polygraph, get a DQ and a fine. Seems to me given the odds, most people will probably choose to just take their chances and fish the event when they see how BASS handled this. BASS has now stated that being a man of integrity guarantees negative consequences that only a fraction of the people with no integrity will face. It's a bad precedent to set.


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Re: Elite series DQ St. Johns 2025 [Re: nfhbass] #15342958 02/27/25 02:57 PM
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Why are they fining Scott Martin when he self-reported it, and before the event? The DQ is harsh enough. I understand a fine if you don't self-report, but this is where they start to lose me. He did everything the right way and the penalty is the same as if he got popped on a polygraph after the tournament. They are incentivizing guys to not self-report and take a chance at not getting caught.

If you report it before the tournament and it's truly trivial information they should just distribute that information to all the contestants to make it even. If the discussion had happened on this forum it's considered public knowledge and it's not a problem. Just make it public info and let everyone fish.


How about no info rules?

Personally I'm 50/50 on it. On the one hand you have guys with more sonar technology than ever before in their boats, go find your own fish.

On the other hand, with all that they have available to them, how much of an advantage is it to be given a waypoint anymore? Sure, your search is shortened, but it feels like its less of an advantage than it would've been in the past.

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