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Re: Murder or Not?
[Re: 921 Phoenix]
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04/09/24 02:55 PM
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bshort
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I also didn't see anything in the video that the man raised his gun and why did the police go in if the lady was outside saying he has a gun. Why didn't they just order him outside without the gun. I don't see any reason for the cops to go in period at that point. The people are upset, the police are in charge and why didn't they deescalate the situation and or shoot a gas can in to force him out or just let him settle down and walk out on his own. The guy went in with gun pulled for what reason no one was in there but the man with a gun in his own house. yes should he have put his gun down yes but it was his house and probably expected the police to protect him also not come in with guns a blazing There was simply no reason for this shooting at this point when the police had other options that may save lives
Been in a lot of armed suspect situations, have you?
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Re: Murder or Not?
[Re: Ghost4BH]
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04/09/24 03:31 PM
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Dan90210 ☮
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This is pretty simple, don’t act like a worthless wife beating idiot and you want get shot. End of discussion. But what is she was talking a lot of sh**? Like mad s talking.
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Re: Murder or Not?
[Re: crankn101]
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04/09/24 03:38 PM
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Bob Davis
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Never, ever present yourself as a threat to a police officer. Unless you are ready to assume room temperature.
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Re: Murder or Not?
[Re: crankn101]
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04/09/24 03:59 PM
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WAWI
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I like to consider possible outcomes....I see 3 and 2 are really bad and 1 while better is still bad.
1. What happened, you are dead.... 2. You end up shooting the Leo and he is dead and you are getting the death penalty 3. The Leo backs out, you end up in some kind of hostage situation whether that was your intention or not. You go to jail or the nut house or both.
Any other outcome is pie in the sky nonsense. Call me crazy but I would choose none of the above and leave my guns in the closet, take the domestic disturbance wrap, get a divorce, and move on.
That math is pretty easy.
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Re: Murder or Not?
[Re: crankn101]
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04/09/24 07:12 PM
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Re: Murder or Not?
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04/09/24 07:15 PM
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Dan90210 ☮
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"Hello, 911, yeah it's me again, my dad's calmed down but now my mom is screaming a lot" Badda bing!
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Re: Murder or Not?
[Re: crankn101]
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04/10/24 05:03 AM
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Jon
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I have to say that in that situation, having a gun in your hand with a cop coming in and doing anything except putting it down is about the least intelligent thing you could possibly do.
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Re: Murder or Not?
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04/10/24 05:31 AM
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This is pretty simple, don’t act like a worthless wife beating idiot and you want get shot. End of discussion. ^This 100%! I’ll bet her husband learned a very valuable lesson and will never do it again.
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Re: Murder or Not?
[Re: crankn101]
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04/10/24 08:02 AM
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Re: Murder or Not?
[Re: crankn101]
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04/10/24 05:11 PM
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Jon
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I've watched this about 25 or 40 times trying to see and hear what was said inside the house. Gave up on that but I'm guessing that cop had trained pretty darn well on when to drop a mag and slap in a fresh one like that. it looked like he started out with pistol in right hand, then went to both hands?
7 rounds fired. He dropped that first mag and slammed in a full one and looked to me like he had a round back in the chamber - all in a bit less than 1 second from mag drop till ready to fire. I can't imagine learning to do that so quick especially in a real life situation without practing 100's and 100's of hours. Mabe one of our current or retired LEO'S can explain what kind of training that requires. Or other comments on the whole affair.
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Re: Murder or Not?
[Re: crankn101]
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04/10/24 05:55 PM
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Gusick
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Good shooting, sure, but shouldn't he have announced his presence before going in? " Hey police are here, come out so we can talk to you". Are they not trained to do that?
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Re: Murder or Not?
[Re: Gusick]
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04/10/24 07:37 PM
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Quillback
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Good shooting, sure, but shouldn't he have announced his presence before going in? " Hey police are here, come out so we can talk to you". Are they not trained to do that? Hard to make a judgement based on that video. He came around the corner and there the guy is armed and ready. If you hesitate, maybe he starts shooting, it's a bad situation and I am in the camp, that if the cops come, don't have a weapon in your hands because they may shoot you if you do.
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Re: Murder or Not?
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04/10/24 08:01 PM
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grandbassslayer
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Good shooting, sure, but shouldn't he have announced his presence before going in? " Hey police are here, come out so we can talk to you". Are they not trained to do that? Hard to make a judgement based on that video. He came around the corner and there the guy is armed and ready. If you hesitate, maybe he starts shooting, it's a bad situation and I am in the camp, that if the cops come, don't have a weapon in your hands because they may shoot you if you do. He never even had an opportunity to drop it- he didn’t point it at the officer. I don’t think the officer had any other options at that point- but he should’ve waited to go in.
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Re: Murder or Not?
[Re: crankn101]
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04/10/24 08:20 PM
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Harleydude
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My only question is who parks a hot rod side by side in their driveway in the suburbs?
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Re: Murder or Not?
[Re: WAWI]
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04/10/24 08:20 PM
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921 Phoenix
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And before you say he was within his rights can you at least admit the obvious that coming out from behind a wall with an AR 15 at your side telling the cops don't cone in here is incredibly stupid..... if we can't agree on that then I can't help you. WAWI I have never said he wasn’t stupid,dumbazz or anything else you would like to write in here, He had options for sure, my point is the officer is the adult and should have waited when he lady ran outside, no one was in there at that point. That guy should be in jail right now not dead. I am only saying the office didn't need to push the issues right then nothing more. He didn't announce a police officer was coming in, he did nothing from what I can tell on the video to deescalate the situation. The guy doesn't have great IQ are he wouldn't be arguing with his wife to the point the kid felt the need to call the police and the kid didn't say on the call he was beating his mother he said they won't quit hollerin at one another. I don't think the cop had a heck of a lot of choices once he decided to push the issue. The guy is dead because he's stupid, the cop could have and should have once the wife ran outside to stop and find out what needs to be done at that point, not just ran in and killed some nut so he can have a good video. just my .02
Last edited by 921 Phoenix; 04/10/24 09:26 PM.
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