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Re: The Palomar knot [Re: soonersorlaters] #9729528 02/11/14 11:10 PM
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My favorite knot for sure. However like said above some knots have better overall strength, especially with fluoro. Check out knot wars app- very informative and shows knot strength for each line type.
Palomar I tie on everything except fluoro, which I hardly ever use. Lots of great pros I believe do use a palomar and fluoro together, so no absolute right answer and who am I to say- my 2cent. One of the best knots for all three line types is the Burke knot- basically 5 turn uni with line doubled- pretty easy tie, but not as easy as palomar! The Berkeley braid knot is very strong but dang hard to tie imo. I just NEVER use any knot with only a single loop around hook eye- they are weaker.

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Re: The Palomar knot [Re: soonersorlaters] #9729635 02/11/14 11:47 PM
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Another very strong knot is the doubled five turn uni ; but I don't like tying it on anything less than ten pound test, painful to tie.





Aaron Martens calls it the unislip Here's a video of him tying it

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Re: The Palomar knot [Re: soonersorlaters] #9729647 02/11/14 11:51 PM
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Another thing about the knot wars comparisons. They test them at direct pull. Don't most knots break on the sharp hookset? Thats when the max pressure is put on the knot, therefore it kind of makes the knot wars results less applicable. Did any of the knots in knot wars make the line not live up to its strength rating? I ask this because if the line went past its rating before breaking with either knot the comparison data are really weakened. Just some food for thought.

Re: The Palomar knot [Re: rxkid2001] #9729691 02/12/14 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by rxkid2001
Another thing about the knot wars comparisons. They test them at direct pull. Don't most knots break on the sharp hookset? Thats when the max pressure is put on the knot, therefore it kind of makes the knot wars results less applicable. Did any of the knots in knot wars make the line not live up to its strength rating? I ask this because if the line went past its rating before breaking with either knot the comparison data are really weakened. Just some food for thought.


Great points. The video below (watch from the 2:50 mark) discusses this in detail.

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Re: The Palomar knot [Re: soonersorlaters] #9729693 02/12/14 12:07 AM
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Anyone know when this knot came to life? I looked for a link to show when some of the various knots came into play and didn't have much luck.
fish When I was a kid in the early seventy's directions for the knot came on the back of a roostertails!!!!! So at least that long.


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Re: The Palomar knot [Re: rxkid2001] #9729810 02/12/14 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted By: rxkid2001
Another thing about the knot wars comparisons. They test them at direct pull. Don't most knots break on the sharp hookset? Thats when the max pressure is put on the knot, therefore it kind of makes the knot wars results less applicable. Did any of the knots in knot wars make the line not live up to its strength rating? I ask this because if the line went past its rating before breaking with either knot the comparison data are really weakened. Just some food for thought.


Those are good points. Makes deciphering it all kinda hard- lol.
One reason the palomar is not as good for fluoro IMO--at least not as good for sharp hard sudden tension- but idk just my thought.

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Re: The Palomar knot [Re: CCTX] #9729839 02/12/14 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by rxkid2001
Another thing about the knot wars comparisons. They test them at direct pull. Don't most knots break on the sharp hookset? Thats when the max pressure is put on the knot, therefore it kind of makes the knot wars results less applicable. Did any of the knots in knot wars make the line not live up to its strength rating? I ask this because if the line went past its rating before breaking with either knot the comparison data are really weakened. Just some food for thought.


Great points. The video below (watch from the 2:50 mark) discusses this in detail.


That's a palomar bashing video!!!!
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The shock test I like but obviously the steady pull and the shock test are both important not just one or the other- good video though!

Re: The Palomar knot [Re: soonersorlaters] #9730610 02/12/14 05:20 AM
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Spit on it before you tighten the line


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Re: The Palomar knot [Re: soonersorlaters] #9730682 02/12/14 06:58 AM
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Double San Diego jam knot! Used to be a polamar junkie until broke 3 big ones off on Hooksets last year. Won't happen again. Knot was cinching down on itself and cutting itself.

Re: The Palomar knot [Re: soonersorlaters] #9730976 02/12/14 01:32 PM
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I was watching the Bass Pros or something the other day and KVD said he ties a Palomar 90 or 95% of the time. If its good enough for him its sure good enough for us mere mortals.

Re: The Palomar knot [Re: fouzman] #9730984 02/12/14 01:36 PM
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Ya'll keep on tying that Palomar with your Fluoro and Braid. I'll tie the strongest knot I can. I double my line and tie the double clinch. Also called the "braid knot" People love the Palomar because it is the easiest and quickest to tie. It is NOT the strongest for ANY line type. But I still tie it with mono.

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Re: The Palomar knot [Re: SkeeterRonnie] #9730990 02/12/14 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: SkeeterRonnie
Double San Diego jam knot! Used to be a polamar junkie until broke 3 big ones off on Hooksets last year. Won't happen again. Knot was cinching down on itself and cutting itself.
Yep. I tie this on anything I have to really set the hook on. Palomars on jerkbaits,and cranks and such.


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Re: The Palomar knot [Re: JacksonBean] #9731152 02/12/14 02:33 PM
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Does anybody use the San Diego Jam knot on flouro? Mark Pack says it's the best knot flouro


The San Diego Jam is an easy knot to tie as well but since it only passes through the hook eye once, it can't quite hold as well as the Palomar, Fish-n-Fool or braid knot.

Something to keep in mind is that all of these lab bench studies are nice but are no substitute for what works best in your hands on the water. If I repeatedly had knot problems, I'd tie another knot.


Mark ties nothing but the Double Clinch these days. Unless he's connecting braid to fluoro, of course.


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Re: The Palomar knot [Re: soonersorlaters] #9731272 02/12/14 03:02 PM
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I did this little test a couple weeks back.. take your line and tie your polamar to an old hook. now take that hook and put it on the bumper of your truck... let out about 20 yards of line and tighten the drag down... now set the hook several times until it pops... look at where it pops.. the knot.

do this with a double san diego jam knot ....

this was done on 20# seguar invisX. Made a believer out of me, and it revealed why I lost money fish last year in critical moments. No longer is my knot the weakest link...

Re: The Palomar knot [Re: SkeeterRonnie] #9731321 02/12/14 03:13 PM
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The only test that I really care about are the ones that go on in my boat, I have never had an issue with the palomar knot, I do know that you have to tie the knot correctly, especially with fluro.


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