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 Re: Would you call this Cheating
[Re: RaiderDale33]
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03/26/12 03:57 PM
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Troyz
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Yes, illegal. This on the other hand is not : If this happened this weekend, what event? Hopefully not the college or high school tournament. I also agree the action by the angler in question is not something I agree with and would not do myself, but I think from what the rules state it is just as legal as what was done in this video. I guess jumping out of the boat is legal because one of the "pros" did it and not a local angler. While the pro may have been technically within the rules by keeping one hand in contact with the boat, I sure don't think the intent of the rule was to allow any angler to jump into the water as part of landing a fish.
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Re: Would you call this Cheating
[Re: Troyz]
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03/26/12 04:11 PM
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MWilkins (a.k.a. Keeb)
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regardless if it is in the rules or not, I would have protested the [censored] out of it so maybe it would become a rule.
There is nothing skill related to what he did and IMO it falls right in line with credibility. To get out of your boat to go walk the bank looking for something you can't see from your boat is BS.
This type of behavior will do nothing but hurt the tourney fishing community. It is bad enough that people look for every grey area to get around a rule.
Just hope we don't see any others following this example and walking the banks. It might give a new meaning to the term "non boater"
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Re: Would you call this Cheating
[Re: bassplay]
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03/26/12 04:23 PM
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bigcat85
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can not get out of the boat to land a fish. you have to hook it to land it. the guy on the bank is helping hook it, so technicly helping land the fish. illegal, CHEATING! Tournament fishing is about trust, that is why i love it. I may have never met someone before but if they have a good rep with other tournament fisherman, you are a good person in my book. but once you bend the rules one time you are done, all respect goes out the window.
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Re: Would you call this Cheating
[Re: bassplay]
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03/26/12 04:26 PM
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jbjcf44
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This guy has fished enough tournaments to know what is right and what is wrong, to me getting out of the boat for any reason other than using the bathroom is wrong, i have hung baits up in docks and broke them off just to remove any doubts about getting out of boat weather anyone is watching or not.I think he knows it is wrong and i think he needs to be banned from any tournaments in the future, if he continues getting off without any punitive action taken against him he will continue "bending" the rules, i dont want to fish against someone that i have to worry about if he is breaking or bending any rules to gain an edge, if your like i am and are very conscious about doing right then you dont want to be beat because someone cheats the system.I think he needs to be disqualified from that tournament and all future tournaments.
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Re: Would you call this Cheating
[Re: jbjcf44]
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03/26/12 04:37 PM
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Brandon Dickenson
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This guy has fished enough tournaments to know what is right and what is wrong, to me getting out of the boat for any reason other than using the bathroom is wrong, i have hung baits up in docks and broke them off just to remove any doubts about getting out of boat weather anyone is watching or not.I think he knows it is wrong and i think he needs to be banned from any tournaments in the future, if he continues getting off without any punitive action taken against him he will continue "bending" the rules, i dont want to fish against someone that i have to worry about if he is breaking or bending any rules to gain an edge, if your like i am and are very conscious about doing right then you dont want to be beat because someone cheats the system.I think he needs to be disqualified from that tournament and all future tournaments. I have never got off the boat in a tournament for any reason. I am right there with you, I have left 20 dollar baits on docks because I always thought it was illegal to get out of the boat. Shows what I know.
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Re: Would you call this Cheating
[Re: bassplay]
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03/26/12 04:40 PM
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ssj3goten
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my club/trails rules that is cheating
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Re: Would you call this Cheating
[Re: bassplay]
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03/26/12 04:43 PM
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Razorback
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Meanwhile a guy who admits he cranked the big motor and idled a few yards without attaching his kill switch because high winds were blowing him into rocks or a bridge piling can be disqualified...
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Re: Would you call this Cheating
[Re: Troyz]
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03/26/12 04:50 PM
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RaiderDale33
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Yes, illegal. This on the other hand is not : If this happened this weekend, what event? Hopefully not the college or high school tournament. I also agree the action by the angler in question is not something I agree with and would not do myself, but I think from what the rules state it is just as legal as what was done in this video. I guess jumping out of the boat is legal because one of the "pros" did it and not a local angler. While the pro may have been technically within the rules by keeping one hand in contact with the boat, I sure don't think the intent of the rule was to allow any angler to jump into the water as part of landing a fish. In this case the difference is that Ike never fully left the boat. He kept his hand on the gunnel even while the rest of his body was in the water. But if the tournament allows and angler to leave the boat as long as he/she does not land a fish, then it is a legal move. I don't think the angler at "fault" is the one to blame here. He adhered to the rules of the tournament. If anything is at fault, it is the tournament rules. Tournaments are run in many different fashions. I've never heard of a tournament with this rule, but they do exist with what has been told on here. I believe that if he fished a tournament with runs stating he cannot leave the boat to look for fish, he would adhere to them. There is no point for sounding off on a guy for following the rules he was under.
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Re: Would you call this Cheating
[Re: Mike_Soriano]
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03/26/12 04:57 PM
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senko9S
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Might not be technically cheating but thats a super weak move on the anglers part IMHO. No brainer to me. Yup.
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Re: Would you call this Cheating
[Re: bassplay]
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03/26/12 05:04 PM
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J.P. Greeson
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I think the spirit of the rule is that all fishing must be done from the boat. Fishing, to me, means locating, catching or landing fish. You are allowed to get off your boat to retrieve a bait, use the restroom, get something to eat or anything along those lines. A simple addition to the rules like, "anglers may not leave the boat to locate fish," would probably solve this problem.
Let's move on since there is no reason to continue to bash a guy who acted within the existing rules ... even if most agree that getting out of the boat to locate fish shouldn't be allowed.
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