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Re: Would you call this Cheating
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03/26/12 01:42 PM
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furim2
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It happened in the Future tournament. I saw the team pull up between the gas dock and the first boat house in Eisenhower. When the boat came out, it had only the partner in the boat. He drove the boat out of the breakwater and started fishing the opposite bank by himself. I never saw Ryan pointing out fish, but we left the area at that time. Furthermore, Joe has no specific rule against this, so until the rules are changed this is kind of a moot point. Ethically, however....
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Re: Would you call this Cheating
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03/26/12 01:50 PM
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Dale Gribble
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Whatever, throw in some religion the Jesus card too that will help out for a while.
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Re: Would you call this Cheating
[Re: Dale Gribble]
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03/26/12 01:52 PM
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John175☮
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Whatever, throw in some religion the Jesus card too that will help out for a while. 
Trump won three times
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Re: Would you call this Cheating
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03/26/12 02:08 PM
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WAWI
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I say legal unless specifically noted in the rules. Don't hate on original thinking.
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Re: Would you call this Cheating
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03/26/12 02:11 PM
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Big Red 12
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Re: Would you call this Cheating
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03/26/12 02:29 PM
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scott01
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Depends on the rules, simple as that.
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Re: Would you call this Cheating
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#7335757
03/26/12 02:38 PM
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Lucas Lures
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absolutely, at least in our club where you are not allowed to get out of the boat unless you had to releave yourself.
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Re: Would you call this Cheating
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#7335778
03/26/12 02:44 PM
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Razorback
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This reminds me of another thread a couple of weeks ago. Let's face it...with quite a few of our current tournament anglers every situation boils down to "what can I get away with without being disqualified?"
Rule sheets would have to be 50 pages long to encompass every possible scenario guys will come up with to try to gain an advantage.
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Re: Would you call this Cheating
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03/26/12 02:47 PM
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Barrett
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Might not be technically cheating but thats a super weak move on the anglers part IMHO. No brainer to me.
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Re: Would you call this Cheating
[Re: ryanl]
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03/26/12 02:55 PM
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Texas Smoke
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Hey guys I will post this one statement on here not going to get drawn in to all the drama [censored]. So here it is. I was made aware last year in certain tournaments some guys were getting out of the boat and walking the bank looking for fish because in some tournaments it is not against the rules to get out of the boat, as long as your not fishing or landing a fish. A tournament director told me 2 years ago that someone saw Two Guys walking the bank and was trying to protest them but the Tournament director told me because they were not fishing or landing a fish it was not against the rules. Now up until I was told this I always assumed it was against the rules to get out of a boat durring the tournament unless you had to get your lure un hung or go to the restroom. But I had not read the rules about getting out of the boat I in every tournament, I had just assumed you couldn't. Until this conversation with a Tournament Director. Now alot of guys like to throw the word cheating around. It is not against the rules to do this in certain tournaments. Saturday durring the Future Bass tournament at 12:30 I decided to go look for some bed fish. I I stepped out of my boat in front of several other anglers sure not trying to hide it since I knew other people had been doing it and there wasn't anything wrong with it. I walked a bank about 100 yards had my partner pick me up at the end of a dock got back in the boat, and started fishing. At one point I had found a fish behind a dock that was blocked and you could not get a boat in behind it. The fish was I'd say a good 40 yards from my boat. My partner got out of the boat gave me a line to cast at and we spent maybe 5 mins trying to catch that fish but realized there wasn't anyway we were going to get it and gave up. In reality we only had 1 of our 5 fish that we weighed that day that was on a bed. There wasn't any cheating going on. People who cheat would try to hide what they are doing, getting out of your boat in front of 5 other teams that are fishing the tournament is not trying to hide anything. I would suggest taking the time to read the rules, or ask the tournament director about a rule if your in question about it. Like I said earlier in the post,up until 2 years ago when I heard about a team trying to protest for walking the banks I always assumed it was against all tournament rules but it's not. So was it worth it ?? Was it worth all of the dock talk and having your name thrown around ?? Was it worth your integrity being questioned ? Ask yourself that the next time you find a loophole. To me, my name is worth more than the possibility of catching a fish. Is yours ?
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Re: Would you call this Cheating
[Re: ryanl]
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03/26/12 03:08 PM
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HEAVY SACK (aka Crankinstein)
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Hey guys I will post this one statement on here not going to get drawn in to all the drama [censored]. So here it is. I was made aware last year in certain tournaments some guys were getting out of the boat and walking the bank looking for fish because in some tournaments it is not against the rules to get out of the boat, as long as your not fishing or landing a fish. A tournament director told me 2 years ago that someone saw Two Guys walking the bank and was trying to protest them but the Tournament director told me because they were not fishing or landing a fish it was not against the rules. Now up until I was told this I always assumed it was against the rules to get out of a boat durring the tournament unless you had to get your lure un hung or go to the restroom. But I had not read the rules about getting out of the boat I in every tournament, I had just assumed you couldn't. Until this conversation with a Tournament Director. Now alot of guys like to throw the word cheating around. It is not against the rules to do this in certain tournaments. Saturday durring the Future Bass tournament at 12:30 I decided to go look for some bed fish. I I stepped out of my boat in front of several other anglers sure not trying to hide it since I knew other people had been doing it and there wasn't anything wrong with it. I walked a bank about 100 yards had my partner pick me up at the end of a dock got back in the boat, and started fishing. At one point I had found a fish behind a dock that was blocked and you could not get a boat in behind it. The fish was I'd say a good 40 yards from my boat. My partner got out of the boat gave me a line to cast at and we spent maybe 5 mins trying to catch that fish but realized there wasn't anyway we were going to get it and gave up. In reality we only had 1 of our 5 fish that we weighed that day that was on a bed. There wasn't any cheating going on. People who cheat would try to hide what they are doing, getting out of your boat in front of 5 other teams that are fishing the tournament is not trying to hide anything. I would suggest taking the time to read the rules, or ask the tournament director about a rule if your in question about it. Like I said earlier in the post,up until 2 years ago when I heard about a team trying to protest for walking the banks I always assumed it was against all tournament rules but it's not. So you're saying you were trespassing too??
“What’s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.”
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Re: Would you call this Cheating
[Re: Barrett]
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03/26/12 03:20 PM
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buda13
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Might not be technically cheating but thats a super weak move on the anglers part IMHO. No brainer to me. I agree 100%. Its weird for the same angler to always be right in the middle of controversy year after year. Either there's something to it, or he's made a bunch of people REALLY mad around Texoma. IMO, everyone knows your not supposed to get out of the boat except for a few specific reasons, this should ESPECIALLY be known by a seasoned tournament fisherman. Trying to manipulate the rules can and will come back to bite ya, its just a matter of time.
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Re: Would you call this Cheating
[Re: Barrett]
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03/26/12 03:24 PM
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Mike_Soriano
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Might not be technically cheating but thats a super weak move on the anglers part IMHO. No brainer to me. Yup.
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Re: Would you call this Cheating
[Re: Fishspanker]
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03/26/12 03:25 PM
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CrazyElvis
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Depends on the Tournament Rules. Each tournament has two things. First the state rules and then the tournament rules. Most have something to address it. It's not illegal under TPWD.
Here is one common rule from a Tournament Series:
16.) PERMITTED FISHING WATERS: No fishing is allowed within 25 yards of any manmade structure of the hosting marina. No tube, bank or wade fishing allowed. No fishing is allowed within 25 yards of another tournament boat without mutual consent. Team tournament partners must fish from the same boat. Only contestants may be in the boat during the tournament hours. Hole sitting, or having a non-contestant sit on a hole for you shall not be tolerated. Contestants must be able to get the boat into the fishing area without getting out of the boat. Navigable waters are the only waters to be fished during the tournament. Contestants cannot leave the boat to land a fish. Restricting natural movement of fish by any means such as but not limited to: use of nets, tanks or dams will result in immediate disqualification. Restricting access to waters normally accessible to anglers by any means such as but not limited to: felling of trees or placement of obstructions will result in disqualification.
I would say they left the boat to land a fish. DQ.
It's definitely never ethical. While I'm in agreement that it is wrong to do so...I have to say that in technically reading what you have highlighted in red says a person cannot be out of the boat while landing a fish. I've been involved in running some small tourneys before and guys will take whatever is written down to the absolute most literal points they can take it to. If the rules state that no one can get out of the boat AT ALL..then yes it is cheating. ...but if it only states you can land a fish while out of the boat...then if pure logic (not feelings) are applied then a person can get out, go to the bank, spot a fish, return to boat, cast and catch the fish. Again....I don't agree with that.... If you were to write rules that covered each and every thing that could be involved with a bass tourney and applied theoretical situations to cover every aspect of how an angler could circumvent the rules the rule book would be five times larger than the NYC phone book.
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Re: Would you call this Cheating
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03/26/12 03:41 PM
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Slide_R
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Typically a set of rules will say "all state, local and federal laws must be obeyed." If there was a violation then it might be that a tresspassing law was violated.
Robert Oleson aka Slide_R
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