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Re: FLW college @ Choke today [Re: OUJoeyC] #5752158 01/23/11 08:33 PM
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Best of luck to you college guys.

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Re: FLW college @ Choke today [Re: Texas Smoke] #5752174 01/23/11 08:39 PM
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I hope the real explanation/story of why they were DQ'd comes out...The "release" area is usually the "take off" area, so surely that is not what it is....Something sure sounds "fishy" here, hope they aren't just trying to sweep it under the rug, because this has me curious.

They were fishing down at the dam and they threw over the bouys. They thougt that it would be o.k. since they're boat didn't go across the buoys but apparently the rules say that you can't cast anywhere that your boat can't go so they were DQ'ed. It was an honest mistake.

What is it that sounds so "fishy" ???


Because I have fished a lot of tournaments in my time, and never ran into this issue....As the rule states that you just quoted, does that mean I can't skip my bait under a dock, or into a culvert, hence my boat can't go there....hmmmmmm popcorn

Re: FLW college @ Choke today [Re: Brandon Dickenson] #5752231 01/23/11 08:59 PM
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I guess in this case one of the buoys on the other side of the spill way they were fishing by and another washed up on shore actually had a sign like No boats allowed or something. If it is locally designated as "no boats" it is considered off limits by an FLW college general rule. The college fishing confirmation email says to click a link to view tournament rules and out of bounds areas. The page says for out of bounds see map, and standard out of bounds and everstrart release area. The map identifies no off limit areas (hence the honest mistake by the team), but the general FLW college rule still applies.


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Re: FLW college @ Choke today [Re: Barrett] #5752262 01/23/11 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted By: Baylorbassguy
WOW sounds extra "fishy" to me. Seems almost like someone was out to get them. if it wasn't specifically posted in the rules then I would have been rather upset. And last time I checked "No boats" means "no boats" not "no fishing." I would like to here a clarification on the tourney director on this one.


I don't think anyone was out to get them. The tournament director was calling a bunch of different guys prob from FLW the whole time and also bouncing info off a non-biased everstart guy he knew who actually took them out to the buoys with our guy. The rules also state the tourney director rulings are final and not up for appeal so I doubt we seek any clarification. It is also up to the director as to the enforcement of a violation, DQ, weight loss, loss of biggest catch, etc. Since they caught 19 and some change, weight loss prob still would have put them at first place or at a minimum in the top five so I guess DQ and listing them as 0 fish 0 lbs. on the official results was the only option.


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best of luck to the college guys..

Re: FLW college @ Choke today [Re: Barrett] #5752331 01/23/11 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted By: Baylorbassguy
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WOW sounds extra "fishy" to me. Seems almost like someone was out to get them. if it wasn't specifically posted in the rules then I would have been rather upset. And last time I checked "No boats" means "no boats" not "no fishing." I would like to here a clarification on the tourney director on this one.


I don't think anyone was out to get them. The tournament director was calling a bunch of different guys prob from FLW the whole time and also bouncing info off a non-biased everstart guy he knew who actually took them out to the buoys with our guy. The rules also state the tourney director rulings are final and not up for appeal so I doubt we seek any clarification. It is also up to the director as to the enforcement of a violation, DQ, weight loss, loss of biggest catch, etc. Since they caught 19 and some change, weight loss prob still would have put them at first place or at a minimum in the top five so I guess DQ and listing them as 0 fish 0 lbs. on the official results was the only option.


The tourney director should be making the call. It shouldn't be a poll from a bunch of different people... this is why it sounds fishy to me. An a non biassed everstart guy???? WTH? I didnt know it was up to a board to make a decision. Again this is not my business but If i was these guys i would be pissed.


I agree with you on this one. With the long wait for the ruling and result lets just say it was a very long ride back to Norman


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Re: FLW college @ Choke today [Re: Barrett] #5752358 01/23/11 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: Baylorbassguy
If i was these guys i would be pissed.



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Teams may fish anywhere on tournament waters within the boundaries defined on CollegeFishing.com that is available to the public and accessible by boat, except areas designated as off-limits, no boats or no fishing by FLW Outdoors, local, state or federal officials, or within 50 yards of a contestants boat that was first anchored.


Here is exactly what the rules state. It says you cannot fish within boundaries defined. Its rather vague but it can easily be interpreted that you cannot cast into a off-limits area. I feel for the OU guys, this is the second time that the possibly best team that day got DQed for minimal offences but rules are rules and there was a lot of water to fish outside the area around the spillway. I don't think that anyone was "out to get them." Kevin, despite our occasional arguments, is a fair guy in my opinion. It wouldn't matter who the team was, I believe that he would have made the same decision.

Re: FLW college @ Choke today [Re: Brandon Dickenson] #5752637 01/23/11 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted By: Jerry Springer
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Originally Posted By: Jerry Springer
I hope the real explanation/story of why they were DQ'd comes out...The "release" area is usually the "take off" area, so surely that is not what it is....Something sure sounds "fishy" here, hope they aren't just trying to sweep it under the rug, because this has me curious.

They were fishing down at the dam and they threw over the bouys. They thougt that it would be o.k. since they're boat didn't go across the buoys but apparently the rules say that you can't cast anywhere that your boat can't go so they were DQ'ed. It was an honest mistake.

What is it that sounds so "fishy" ???


Because I have fished a lot of tournaments in my time, and never ran into this issue....As the rule states that you just quoted, does that mean I can't skip my bait under a dock, or into a culvert, hence my boat can't go there....hmmmmmm popcorn



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Re: FLW college @ Choke today [Re: Brandon Dickenson] #5752679 01/23/11 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted By: Jerry Springer
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Originally Posted By: Jerry Springer
I hope the real explanation/story of why they were DQ'd comes out...The "release" area is usually the "take off" area, so surely that is not what it is....Something sure sounds "fishy" here, hope they aren't just trying to sweep it under the rug, because this has me curious.

They were fishing down at the dam and they threw over the bouys. They thougt that it would be o.k. since they're boat didn't go across the buoys but apparently the rules say that you can't cast anywhere that your boat can't go so they were DQ'ed. It was an honest mistake.

What is it that sounds so "fishy" ???


Because I have fished a lot of tournaments in my time, and never ran into this issue....As the rule states that you just quoted, does that mean I can't skip my bait under a dock, or into a culvert, hence my boat can't go there....hmmmmmm popcorn

I know you're young but you can't be this dumb. You know what I was saying.

Re: FLW college @ Choke today [Re: Texas Smoke] #5752691 01/23/11 11:18 PM
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I fish that area often... I don't get my boat inside the buoys but have caught some nice fish over there!


Re: FLW college @ Choke today [Re: John A.] #5752763 01/23/11 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: John A.
Teams may fish anywhere on tournament waters within the boundaries defined on CollegeFishing.com that is available to the public and accessible by boat, except areas designated as off-limits, no boats or no fishing by FLW Outdoors, local, state or federal officials, or within 50 yards of a contestants boat that was first anchored.


Here is exactly what the rules state. It says you cannot fish within boundaries defined. Its rather vague but it can easily be interpreted that you cannot cast into a off-limits area. I feel for the OU guys, this is the second time that the possibly best team that day got DQed for minimal offences but rules are rules and there was a lot of water to fish outside the area around the spillway. I don't think that anyone was "out to get them." Kevin, despite our occasional arguments, is a fair guy in my opinion. It wouldn't matter who the team was, I believe that he would have made the same decision.


Yep, once the team read this exact paragraph given to them by Kevin they knew that the right call was made. I think what was frustrating was that this easy and clear rule wasn't identified immediately and that for an hour and a half it was because it was against Texas law that they were going to be DQ'd, later cleared up by a game warden. Regardless, the rule you just posted was the only and exact rule that caused their DQ.


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Originally Posted By: John A.
Teams may fish anywhere on tournament waters within the boundaries defined on CollegeFishing.com that is available to the public and accessible by boat, except areas designated as off-limits, no boats or no fishing by FLW Outdoors, local, state or federal officials, or within 50 yards of a contestants boat that was first anchored.


Here is exactly what the rules state. It says you cannot fish within boundaries defined. Its rather vague but it can easily be interpreted that you cannot cast into a off-limits area. I feel for the OU guys, this is the second time that the possibly best team that day got DQed for minimal offences but rules are rules and there was a lot of water to fish outside the area around the spillway. I don't think that anyone was "out to get them." Kevin, despite our occasional arguments, is a fair guy in my opinion. It wouldn't matter who the team was, I believe that he would have made the same decision.


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Re: FLW college @ Choke today [Re: Barrett] #5752912 01/24/11 12:21 AM
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Me saying it was vague was not exactly the right word. The rule covers the infraction committed. Just a clearer rule would be, a team member may not cast fish inside a off limits area. I know I have heard it in rules meetings to imagine an offlimits area as a wall. You cannot cast onto it.

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Originally Posted By: Baylorbassguy
You would think that since the rule is so "vague" and it is the way you interpret it that determines if the team was actually in violation.... something like this wouldn't happen. Instead of rob the team of 10 grand since it really wasn't stated... maybe award them what the earned and CLARIFY the rule and move on. Just seems if the TD was calling all these people and running around, talking to GW etc he really didn't know what to do. After not knowing what to do he sure did take an interesting route.

Maybe he was "calling all these people and running around" to try and find a way to HELP the team not be disqualified. You make it seem like it was a witch hunt. You couldn't be further from the truth. Maybe you should just go to your room and do some studying young fella and leave this to the adults because you're making a big deal about nothing.

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