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Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart?
[Re: armyangler024]
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06/16/10 03:33 AM
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chunkNwind
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My arguement is, that you really are not applying knowledge to the game when you know you have your secret stash in the lake, this sport is based on know what the game fish are doing and where you might think where they are, not knowing that they are there are on your area you built. In a way its like these baseball players using HGH to become better ball players. no problem with what you said, but look at it this way...if you know an area that is holding fish and know why, then you have already done the hard part. what would be so wrong in simply "enhancing" this area to bring in more forage? you arent bringing them in there, you are simply giving them a reason to stay more 
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Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart?
[Re: Black Jack]
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06/16/10 03:36 AM
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Parker S.
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Anglers (including tournament anglers) that create their own artifical attractants I think is because they are not good enough to win without them and require this crutch to try to win. Without them, they are only average anglers. Without them, they lack confidence to locate fish consistently otherwise. quite possibly the most ridiculous statememt in the history of the TFF I can see why the truth may hurt your feelings... dude you aren't hurting my feelings...i just don't know where you would come up with such a bogus statement...it really shows how little you know about this little sport
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Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart?
[Re: Black Jack]
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06/16/10 03:45 AM
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chunkNwind
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Anglers (including tournament anglers) that create their own artifical attractants I think is because they are not good enough to win without them and require this crutch to try to win. Without them, they are only average anglers. Without them, they lack confidence to locate fish consistently otherwise.  and thats all i have to say about that!
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Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart?
[Re: chunkNwind]
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06/16/10 03:47 AM
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chunkNwind
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if they were not as knowlegeable as you say they arent, then they would be dropping that brush somewhere that makes no sense and would never hold fish.
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Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart?
[Re: chunkNwind]
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06/16/10 04:33 AM
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Skottyd4
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Wow what a heated debate. This is funny since in the state of Missouri the conservation department loads piles on a lot of lakes to create more fish habitat. Kentucky lake there are people that have large barge type boats that drop entire rock piles. Just because you sink cover does not mean the fish will load up on it. It may take a long period of time for this to happen or it may never happen if it was not placed strategicly.
Also the post where someone said something about dropping fish on the piles leading up to a tourney, and calling that cheating this is funny! A fish can and will swim miles with in the first couple hours a lot of times it is released in a new area. The area it is dropped has to have plentiful food and cover and make that fish feel comfortable for it to stay. This has never been against any rule in any tourney that I have ever fished. I've done it, but usually if I have done it I will pull fish that were say in the launch area that is off limits and where the fish are released from many tournies or out of marinas that have tons of dock fisherman that just throw any slab of bass in the icebox. Never will or have I done it out of areas that are productive that are on limits. But a lot of things have to be right for these fish to consider staying around most will move on right away or through the following days if they don't feel an area is right to them.
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Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart?
[Re: Skottyd4]
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06/16/10 05:01 AM
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Brandon Dickenson
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Wow what a heated debate. This is funny since in the state of Missouri the conservation department loads piles on a lot of lakes to create more fish habitat. Kentucky lake there are people that have large barge type boats that drop entire rock piles. Just because you sink cover does not mean the fish will load up on it. It may take a long period of time for this to happen or it may never happen if it was not placed strategicly.
Also the post where someone said something about dropping fish on the piles leading up to a tourney, and calling that cheating this is funny! A fish can and will swim miles with in the first couple hours a lot of times it is released in a new area. The area it is dropped has to have plentiful food and cover and make that fish feel comfortable for it to stay. This has never been against any rule in any tourney that I have ever fished. I've done it, but usually if I have done it I will pull fish that were say in the launch area that is off limits and where the fish are released from many tournies or out of marinas that have tons of dock fisherman that just throw any slab of bass in the icebox. Never will or have I done it out of areas that are productive that are on limits. But a lot of things have to be right for these fish to consider staying around most will move on right away or through the following days if they don't feel an area is right to them. it really is a rule often times, funny or not..Releasing fish on your holes is called "salting" the whole and is listed as a rule infraction
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Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart?
[Re: Brandon Dickenson]
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06/16/10 12:06 PM
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tx_basser
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Wow what a heated debate. This is funny since in the state of Missouri the conservation department loads piles on a lot of lakes to create more fish habitat. Kentucky lake there are people that have large barge type boats that drop entire rock piles. Just because you sink cover does not mean the fish will load up on it. It may take a long period of time for this to happen or it may never happen if it was not placed strategicly.
Also the post where someone said something about dropping fish on the piles leading up to a tourney, and calling that cheating this is funny! A fish can and will swim miles with in the first couple hours a lot of times it is released in a new area. The area it is dropped has to have plentiful food and cover and make that fish feel comfortable for it to stay. This has never been against any rule in any tourney that I have ever fished. I've done it, but usually if I have done it I will pull fish that were say in the launch area that is off limits and where the fish are released from many tournies or out of marinas that have tons of dock fisherman that just throw any slab of bass in the icebox. Never will or have I done it out of areas that are productive that are on limits. But a lot of things have to be right for these fish to consider staying around most will move on right away or through the following days if they don't feel an area is right to them. it really is a rule often times, funny or not..Releasing fish on your holes is called "salting" the whole and is listed as a rule infraction Can you post some links to the ones you have seen, as I have never seen a rule like that.
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Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart?
[Re: Jimmie Moreland]
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06/16/10 08:38 PM
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armyangler024
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I'd much rather find the structures through electronics still, maybe one day ill expirment with making my own structure and see what comes of it, for now, ill keep my integrity to the sport.
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Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart?
[Re: armyangler024]
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06/16/10 09:01 PM
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txfishingrl11
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I wonder if tourney fisherman had this arguement 40 years ago.. before all this sweet electronics.
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Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart?
[Re: txfishingrl11]
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06/16/10 11:38 PM
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armyangler024
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Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart?
[Re: Skottyd4]
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06/17/10 12:30 AM
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Jkitchens
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Wow what a heated debate. This is funny since in the state of Missouri the conservation department loads piles on a lot of lakes to create more fish habitat. Kentucky lake there are people that have large barge type boats that drop entire rock piles. Just because you sink cover does not mean the fish will load up on it. It may take a long period of time for this to happen or it may never happen if it was not placed strategicly.
Also the post where someone said something about dropping fish on the piles leading up to a tourney, and calling that cheating this is funny! A fish can and will swim miles with in the first couple hours a lot of times it is released in a new area. The area it is dropped has to have plentiful food and cover and make that fish feel comfortable for it to stay. This has never been against any rule in any tourney that I have ever fished. I've done it, but usually if I have done it I will pull fish that were say in the launch area that is off limits and where the fish are released from many tournies or out of marinas that have tons of dock fisherman that just throw any slab of bass in the icebox. Never will or have I done it out of areas that are productive that are on limits. But a lot of things have to be right for these fish to consider staying around most will move on right away or through the following days if they don't feel an area is right to them. Agreed...
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Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart?
[Re: txfishingrl11]
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06/17/10 12:36 AM
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senko9S
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I wonder if tourney fisherman had this arguement 40 years ago.. before all this sweet electronics. how do you think it started? 
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Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart?
[Re: Black Jack]
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06/17/10 12:36 AM
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blazeplatt
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Anglers (including tournament anglers) that create their own artifical attractants I think is because they are not good enough to win without them and require this crutch to try to win. Without them, they are only average anglers. Without them, they lack confidence to locate fish consistently otherwise. Its too bad you feel that way. If your a tournament fisherman then you have surely handed your money over to somebody who beat you fishing brushpiles that they put out themselves.
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Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart?
[Re: blazeplatt]
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06/17/10 12:42 AM
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Jay Kendrick
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took some scarp wood, tires and pvc pipe from work today when i was cleaning out behind the shop. Gonna go dump some on cypress and sandlin. call me a cheater
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Re: Creating your own Honey hole, Is it Cheating or Smart?
[Re: Jay Kendrick]
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06/17/10 12:51 AM
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Kid Chuckles
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Whoops got on a soap box there for a min lol
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