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 Re: Hybrid ID
[Re: fwbret/txfishes]
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11/01/07 06:24 PM
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"Da" NITRO
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Doesn't matter.
If he was *actually* checking, and was going to write a ticket, he'd have checked the toothpatch.
Once again, the only way to tell without question is a 1 or 2 toothpatch.
TPWD wardens are mostly biologists and are trained for this. They use the same manner biologists do to ID these fish. That happens to be toothpatch, not color, not stripes, not bodyshape (they will, however, count anal rays).
The lines are *usually* different, but they will vary wildly from fish to fish and water to water. Hybrids always have 2 toothpatches, whites always have 1.
Thats very interesting. Thanks for the info 
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Re: Hybrid ID
[Re: 1robert]
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11/01/07 06:31 PM
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Does anyone know if any pictures of these "toothpatches"?? I've seen drawings (and I've had to draw them, but that was a logn time ago) and I'll find some online and post them here.  its more of a feel thing (unless the fish are larger, then can be quite visible). Whites have a sandpaper dot near the back center of the tongue it is easy to feel. stripers and hybrids (from the striper side) have 2 of these patches, they're also a bit longer. Once you examine them it sticks in your head easy enough, and eliminates all questions about them.
Last edited by FortWorthBret; 11/01/07 06:37 PM. Reason: added photo
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Re: Hybrid ID
[Re: fwbret/txfishes]
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11/01/07 06:32 PM
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slabnshad
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Here is a tip,,, the single tooth patch on a white is more
of a rounded patch while the tooth patches on a hybrid while
may only have a faint, hard to see line seperating them, will
be elongated, a larger fish is easier to recognize because of
the stripes, but after you catch a bunch of both you will be
able to tell what it is on the end of the line probably 9
out of 10 times, funny as it is it is true there is a little
more fight in a hybrid. And the Game Warden will check the
tooth patches before he writes the ticket. If in doubt throw
it out a Hybrid will grow a bunch in only one season.
Dennis  
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Re: Hybrid ID
[Re: slabnshad]
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11/01/07 07:35 PM
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Tawakoni Todd
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Just my 2 cents, Game Warden WAS about to write me a ticket and I brought up the tooth patch issue and the print out from TPWD, Warden told me flat out, DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO THE PATCH, IF IT HAS MORE THAN ONE STRIPE ACTUALLY GOING TO THE TAIL AND ITS UNDER 18 INCHES, THROW IT BACK! He was very professional and let me go, but I practice his advice now, without exception. That was last year, now that I have caught more, it does get easier to tell the difference.
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Re: Hybrid ID
[Re: 1robert]
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11/01/07 07:58 PM
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Does anyone know if any pictures of these "toothpatches"?? Check the link I posted..
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Re: Hybrid ID
[Re: "Da" NITRO]
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11/01/07 08:08 PM
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In this pic you will see that each fish has multiple, broken, dark lines, three of which, extending to the tail. These are all hybrids. A sand bass will have only one thin line extending to the tail and the other lines won't be as pronounced. Hope this helps  Those looks like Juniors!! 
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Re: Hybrid ID
[Re: fwbret/txfishes]
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11/01/07 08:26 PM
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9874opf
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Doesn't matter.
If he was *actually* checking, and was going to write a ticket, he'd have checked the toothpatch.
Once again, the only way to tell without question is a 1 or 2 toothpatch.
TPWD wardens are mostly biologists and are trained for this. They use the same manner biologists do to ID these fish. That happens to be toothpatch, not color, not stripes, not bodyshape (they will, however, count anal rays).
They are also trained to know people quickly. They can figure out pretty quickly if you know what you're going or not, and will trust your judgment. But before writing a ticket, they will all be checked correctly.
Game wardens are biologists? Not sure about that one. I dont think "knowing people" would help if the person wasn't intenionally breaking the law. I agree with hubbardlundfund--if it is a questionable fish--throw it back--the meat isn't worth the hassle
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Re: Hybrid ID
[Re: fool4fishing]
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11/01/07 08:26 PM
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When push comes to shove it is what the TPWD handbook says it is. The GWs knows they can not write a ticket and make it stick if they do not check the tooth patch. The handbook plainly(diagrams/text) states how as fisherman we are to check fish before keeping. This is not rocket science.
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Re: Hybrid ID
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11/01/07 10:05 PM
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its not..when in doubt throw it back. The way I can tell is two ways, one is the stripes which have been elaboratly described and two is the color of the fish itself. Hybrids generally are a little more of a blue hue..if I can't tell then I just throw em back.
I don't really know what to type here.
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Re: Hybrid ID
[Re: iamquockie]
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11/01/07 10:13 PM
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iamquockie
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I don't really know what to type here.
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Re: Hybrid ID
[Re: 9874opf]
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11/01/07 11:04 PM
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Game wardens are biologists? Not sure about that one.
I said mostly. I take it you have not looked at the requirements to apply? I have the handbook here (my wife's, not mine) and it states that an officer will check toothpatch before writing a ticket.
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Re: Hybrid ID
[Re: fwbret/txfishes]
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11/02/07 12:27 AM
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So i generally follow the 18inch rule to be safe. In any case I keep very few fish. Any opinions on these. At first I thought whites but then i saw the picks that iamquockie re-posted and I'm thinking small hybrids .. both were about 14 inches (click on the pics for a bigger view). In the Webberville area these are about the largest I've got in the last week or 2. Generally they've been a little smaller. the 2 in the pics were after work today  http://www.flickr.com/photos/17266569@N03/?saved=1
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Re: Hybrid ID
[Re: "Da" NITRO]
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11/02/07 12:50 AM
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[/quote]
Got stopped by the game warden this past Sunday and he didn't look at the patches on the three hybrids we had, he just looked at the stripes. [/quote]
If they were obviously 18", the game warden didn't even care if it had a tongue.
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Re: Hybrid ID
[Re: iamquockie]
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11/02/07 01:28 AM
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That explains it all! Nice job Iam!
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Re: Hybrid ID
[Re: Stucky76]
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11/02/07 01:58 AM
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Education: Applicants must have successfully completed and have conferred a Bachelors level degree from an accredited college or university
A Has two, distinct tooth patches near the midline towards the back of the tongue.
B Body deep, more than 1/3 length.
C Stripes distinct, usually broken, several extend to tail.
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