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Re: Who turned Scott martin in for violating Info Rule
[Re: grandbassslayer]
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04/09/25 01:26 AM
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Douglas J
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I think it should be anonymous- people are less likely to snitch if they think they’ll get heat from fan(atics)… It often seems that those who feel less confident or secure are the ones who prefer anonymity when reporting others. There's a belief that if you're going to accuse someone of something that could impact their life or career, you should stand by it and take responsibility for your actions by acknowledging it publicly. In the context of bass fishing, it's hard to understand what they're so afraid of are they worried that a rogue fan might sabotage their gear or something? It’s a bit different- the accuser isn’t a judge and jury, an angler has ample opportunity to take an easy polygraph to show they are innocent. It’s clear from your response that you have a different view of integrity. That’s okay, it takes all kinds of people to keep the world turning. It takes courage to do the right thing and report someone for an infraction or violation, it's a positive action! However, not having the backbone to stand by your accusations with your name attached is an issue that seems to affect a certain segment of society. You do you!
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Re: Who turned Scott martin in for violating Info Rule
[Re: Douglas J]
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04/09/25 01:32 AM
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If you had a job that you’d get fired from even if you were correct in turning in a co worker who was cheating - would you want to turn them in? Let’s not turn this into some nobility thing- it’s obvious what’s happened here.
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Re: Who turned Scott martin in for violating Info Rule
[Re: grandbassslayer]
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04/09/25 01:47 AM
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outfishdya
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If you had a job that you’d get fired from even if you were correct in turning in a co worker who was cheating - would you want to turn them in? Let’s not turn this into some nobility thing- it’s obvious what’s happened here. If what has been reported is true, how do 2 elites get the juice on Martin sending texts to some random local? For this reason alone, there should be some sort of explanation. It certainly fuels the setup "conspiracy theories"
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Re: Who turned Scott martin in for violating Info Rule
[Re: Quillback]
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04/09/25 01:51 AM
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I think it should be anonymous- people are less likely to snitch if they think they’ll get heat from fan(atics)… It often seems that those who feel less confident or secure are the ones who prefer anonymity when reporting others. There's a belief that if you're going to accuse someone of something that could impact their life or career, you should stand by it and take responsibility for your actions by acknowledging it publicly. In the context of bass fishing, it's hard to understand what they're so afraid of are they worried that a rogue fan might sabotage their gear or something? And by golly, the right to confront your accuser is covered by the 6th amendment. It's downright un-American to anonymously accuse someone of something. The right to confront your accuser, guaranteed by the Sixth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. 
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Re: Who turned Scott martin in for violating Info Rule
[Re: Douglas J]
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04/09/25 02:09 AM
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I think it should be anonymous- people are less likely to snitch if they think they’ll get heat from fan(atics)… It often seems that those who feel less confident or secure are the ones who prefer anonymity when reporting others. There's a belief that if you're going to accuse someone of something that could impact their life or career, you should stand by it and take responsibility for your actions by acknowledging it publicly. In the context of bass fishing, it's hard to understand what they're so afraid of are they worried that a rogue fan might sabotage their gear or something? It’s a bit different- the accuser isn’t a judge and jury, an angler has ample opportunity to take an easy polygraph to show they are innocent. It’s clear from your response that you have a different view of integrity. That’s okay, it takes all kinds of people to keep the world turning. It takes courage to do the right thing and report someone for an infraction or violation, it's a positive action! However, not having the backbone to stand by your accusations with your name attached is an issue that seems to affect a certain segment of society. You do you! Retribution is the only reason you want a name attached and is the reason the names are not released.
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Re: Who turned Scott martin in for violating Info Rule
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04/09/25 02:40 AM
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I don’t get why it matters and why people are persecuting the protestors and bass.
If the protestors received info that there was a possible infraction he was obligated to report it.
Once he reported it, BASS was obligated to investigate it.
That’s all that happened.
Scott is the one that took the next steps and according to his own video the protestors received info had legs. So are we going to persecute the messenger and give the one trying to skate the rules a free pass?
I can’t receive info on Lake A but can you give me info on Lake B that fishes just like Lake A (wink wink). Scott solicited info that would give him a competitive advantage. It’s simple as that. I don't think BASS should have demanded the poly. It should have been Scott, BASS, and some protestors on a conference call. BASS tells protestors Put your name on this or we believe Scotts' explanation. He self reported once and the burden of proof is on you. If they had the hard evidence then why demand the poly? Just DQ him.
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Re: Who turned Scott martin in for violating Info Rule
[Re: Douglas J]
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04/09/25 02:54 AM
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Re: Who turned Scott martin in for violating Info Rule
[Re: grandbassslayer]
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04/09/25 03:08 AM
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Say you are sponsored by skeeter or Garmin, but lower on the totem pole than the accused- now you are stuck between a rock and a hard place, you snitch and you might lose a sponsor… Not a single trail in Ky (other than bass) that allows protests after scales close. Meaning if you are going to accuse someone of cheating, you are going to accuse them in front of everyone. Robertson knows this as well as I’m telling you. bass’s anonymous protests are  .
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Re: Who turned Scott martin in for violating Info Rule
[Re: Douglas J]
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04/09/25 03:21 AM
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outfishdya
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Imagine how much of a hard turn this takes if was one of Martin's buddies, or if it was Upshaw feeling "obligated" again.
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Re: Who turned Scott martin in for violating Info Rule
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04/09/25 03:48 AM
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grandbassslayer
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Say you are sponsored by skeeter or Garmin, but lower on the totem pole than the accused- now you are stuck between a rock and a hard place, you snitch and you might lose a sponsor… Not a single trail in Ky (other than bass) that allows protests after scales close. Meaning if you are going to accuse someone of cheating, you are going to accuse them in front of everyone. Robertson knows this as well as I’m telling you. bass’s anonymous protests are  . Well bubba fishing a trail in ky for pickle jar money isn’t going to lose his job at the sewer plant for protesting- it’s no comparison..
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Re: Who turned Scott martin in for violating Info Rule
[Re: outfishdya]
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04/09/25 03:49 AM
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Imagine how much of a hard turn this takes if was one of Martin's buddies, or if it was Upshaw feeling "obligated" again.
Why does it matter- I’ve never worried about breaking a rule in a tournament- if someone is breaking the rules it’s all on them.
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Re: Who turned Scott martin in for violating Info Rule
[Re: outfishdya]
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04/09/25 03:51 AM
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If you had a job that you’d get fired from even if you were correct in turning in a co worker who was cheating - would you want to turn them in? Let’s not turn this into some nobility thing- it’s obvious what’s happened here. If what has been reported is true, how do 2 elites get the juice on Martin sending texts to some random local? For this reason alone, there should be some sort of explanation. It certainly fuels the setup "conspiracy theories" I had an uber driver last month that believed Elvis is a preacher in Arkansas, and the secret city under Denver airport is for British royalty when society collapses- you two should get together…
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Re: Who turned Scott martin in for violating Info Rule
[Re: grandbassslayer]
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04/09/25 04:10 AM
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outfishdya
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Imagine how much of a hard turn this takes if was one of Martin's buddies, or if it was Upshaw feeling "obligated" again.
Why does it matter- I’ve never worried about breaking a rule in a tournament- if someone is breaking the rules it’s all on them. Why would we care about you? The burden of proof was on an anonymous protester. What proof has been offered? Scott's video was not him confessing . He states its all untrue and took a poly. Any other take on this is opinion.
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Re: Who turned Scott martin in for violating Info Rule
[Re: grandbassslayer]
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04/09/25 05:04 AM
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Mulejockey1
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Say you are sponsored by skeeter or Garmin, but lower on the totem pole than the accused- now you are stuck between a rock and a hard place, you snitch and you might lose a sponsor… Not a single trail in Ky (other than bass) that allows protests after scales close. Meaning if you are going to accuse someone of cheating, you are going to accuse them in front of everyone. Robertson knows this as well as I’m telling you. bass’s anonymous protests are  . Well bubba fishing a trail in ky for pickle jar money isn’t going to lose his job at the sewer plant for protesting- it’s no comparison.. Well first off, bubba working at sewer plant is making a lot more money than “elite” pro’s. Rightfully so. So you are good being convicted by an anonymous source? Why can’t others look into their history? It is clear that is exactly what happened to Scott. Maybe Matt set Scott up with source? The most ridiculous thing I have seen is people using luke Dunkin as a source 
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Re: Who turned Scott martin in for violating Info Rule
[Re: outfishdya]
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04/09/25 05:07 AM
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Imagine how much of a hard turn this takes if was one of Martin's buddies, or if it was Upshaw feeling "obligated" again.
Why does it matter- I’ve never worried about breaking a rule in a tournament- if someone is breaking the rules it’s all on them. Why would we care about you? The burden of proof was on an anonymous protester. What proof has been offered? Scott's video was not him confessing . He states its all untrue and took a poly. Any other take on this is opinion. Exactly. The reason every pickle jar tournament requires protests in front of everyone and accused is so no little weasels, or rat faced bi***** scurry away in darkness. Why the need to hide if the accusation is true? We all know why.
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