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FFS yes or no?
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03/22/24 05:46 AM
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Farrside
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My 2 cents on the FFS. Remember back in the day we had flashers, then came 2d sonar which was good for bottom contours and finding hard bottoms, next came the down imaging and that was a game changer, a lot more clarity. About the same time we got side imaging. Then it was improvements on the image trees, grass and brush piles became real clear on the graph, which now brings us to FFS. I see it as a progression in the industry. Each time it was a game changer I don’t see the difference between them all other than I haven’t used the FFS as of yet so I’m behind the curve and I think that’s where the rub is with a lot of folks along with the cost of trying to compete. Electronics cost almost as much as the ride your in. Your thoughts
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: Farrside]
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03/22/24 11:17 AM
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They aren’t cheap, but you can get into the FFS game for less than $1500 (used equipment) if you try. Other than that, the topic has been The average person will not have much success with FFS while bass fishing.
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: Farrside]
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03/22/24 11:36 AM
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So if I run out and buy a FFS, fish will start jumping in the boat?
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: Farrside]
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03/22/24 12:08 PM
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: wconn33]
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03/22/24 12:42 PM
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So if I run out and buy a FFS, fish will start jumping in the boat? Yes, you don't even cast anymore, you open your livewell and 7 lbrs come raining down out of the sky into it. To me that's proof enough that God wants you to have it and the haters are agents of the devil..... We should all pray for them.....
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: Farrside]
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03/22/24 12:50 PM
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Just because you see them on a flasher, 2d or down and side or ffs, does not mean they will bite, plan and simple.
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: Farrside]
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03/22/24 09:19 PM
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Seeing "them" is simple enough. Getting "em to bite is another.
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: Farrside]
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03/23/24 01:16 PM
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Another FFS proponent triggered... Dang, you guys should seek professional help... Dan
"The problem with having a sense of humor is often that people you use it on aren't in a very good mood"... Lou Holtz
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: Farrside]
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03/23/24 02:22 PM
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This is ‘murica. Do what you want but leave me alone.
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: Farrside]
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03/23/24 05:06 PM
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FFS is a game changer but I still fish for the sport and piece of mind, so I am fine without it. A few weeks ago while on Conroe with my kayak, I watched a nice a bass boat fish a cove with no luck. After he left, I went in and caught two decent fish. At the end of the day, we still need to present the bait so the fish will want it.
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: Farrside]
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03/23/24 05:47 PM
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: Farrside]
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03/23/24 07:35 PM
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I have the least favorable brand of FFS, Humminbird. I may not see every fish or be able to see my lure retrieve while watching the fish move in for the bite every time, but, the one thing I believe makes it worth the cost is being able to identify dead water and move on without wasting time. Being able to see that areas are holding schools of bait fish and seeing bigger fish in an area helps a lot also. I have found bass in random spots that I would have never even made a cast otherwise.Saying all that, you don't necessarily have to be good at targeting big individual bass with FFS to get a benefit from it. I am very new at using FFS and I'm over 50, so it is quite the learning curve for me, I would definitely recommend FFS to anyone who bass fishes.
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: Farrside]
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03/23/24 09:34 PM
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: Farrside]
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03/24/24 01:06 AM
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This thread has certainly been entertaining...
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: Farrside]
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03/24/24 02:20 AM
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Eat. Sleep. Fish.
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: Farrside]
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03/24/24 10:23 PM
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RRogers
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The coolest thing about FFS is the fact that fish will adapt to the pressure and eventually get very difficult to catch using it. Keep pressuring them with the ping and drive them deep into the cover. The easy fishing will run its course.
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: RRogers]
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The coolest thing about FFS is the fact that fish will adapt to the pressure and eventually get very difficult to catch using it. Keep pressuring them with the ping and drive them deep into the cover. The easy fishing will run its course. Easy fishing…🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: Farrside]
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They practically jump into your boat! If not, you can just snag them on a jerk bait. It’s true. I read it on the internets.
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: Farrside]
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03/25/24 12:37 AM
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Nah... They gotta eat, so they'll continue to orient to the bait fish like they always have...
On a different angle... Will scoping be as effective a night???... Dan
"The problem with having a sense of humor is often that people you use it on aren't in a very good mood"... Lou Holtz
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: Dan21XRS]
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03/25/24 12:57 AM
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Nah... They gotta eat, so they'll continue to orient to the bait fish like they always have...
On a different angle... Will scoping be as effective a night???... Dan Not if their tucked in sleeping under a blanket
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: tmd11111]
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03/25/24 01:10 PM
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... Not if their tucked in sleeping under a blanket I think that has more to do with the fisherman than the technology... Just wondering... It's more or less sight fishing, you can see the fish on the screen but will the bass be able to detect the presence of the lures guys are using???... Dan
"The problem with having a sense of humor is often that people you use it on aren't in a very good mood"... Lou Holtz
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Re: FFS yes or no?
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03/25/24 01:57 PM
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Dropshotting with 2d is “seeing them” also, bet most have done that.
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: grout-scout]
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03/26/24 12:09 AM
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Dropshotting with 2d is “seeing them” also, bet most have done that. Most, except for you.
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: KnotTexan]
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03/26/24 12:34 AM
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Dropshotting with 2d is “seeing them” also, bet most have done that. Most, except for you. Once and then I realized it was
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: grout-scout]
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03/26/24 01:12 AM
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Dropshotting with 2d is “seeing them” also, bet most have done that. Most, except for you. Once and then I realized it was If you’re going to be on the Pro FFS band wagon you better get on the dropshot, hover strolling, mid strolling and bottom strolling band wagon. Try to keep up.
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: grout-scout]
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03/26/24 01:55 PM
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Wow ol' Randy sure has some peoples whitey tighties in a bunch... For everyone trying to discredit Randy they sure love to bring him into every conversation as the devil... Take a break and actually go fishing the way you want to fish... FFS, have at it... yellow spinnerbait beating the bank, have at it... cane pole and crickets, go for it... Dan
"The problem with having a sense of humor is often that people you use it on aren't in a very good mood"... Lou Holtz
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: Dan21XRS]
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03/26/24 01:56 PM
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Wow ol' Randy sure has some peoples whitey tighties in a bunch... For everyone trying to discredit Randy they sure love to bring him into every conversation as the devil... Take a break and actually go fishing the way you want to fish... FFS, have at it... yellow spinnerbait beating the bank, have at it... cane pole and crickets, go for it... Dan That’s what everyone is trying to do but Randy says you can’t do that.
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: Farrside]
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03/26/24 03:50 PM
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Is Randy your daddy? Then who cares what Randy says....
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: Farrside]
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03/26/24 06:33 PM
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I am not going to get it. Don’t want to invest that much on something I won’t get to use very often. As far as the pros I say go for it. These guys are spending between 30k and 50k for electronics. Zaldain interviewed the BASS guys on one of the stops on his YouTube channel. It’s obviously necessary to compete or they would not spend that kind of money on it. They have 2 types of FFS based on the interviews I watched. They were referring to it as salt water and fresh water. One has a longer range I think. They all had both. I rarely agree with Mr Randy but some points are valid on this tech. One thing I would agree with him and Hank Parker on is the HS competition. That should be a level playing field as far as I am concerned. If you like it, great. If you don’t, great. With the exception above I don’t care.
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Re: FFS yes or no?
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03/26/24 06:45 PM
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I am not going to get it. Don’t want to invest that much on something I won’t get to use very often. As far as the pros I say go for it. These guys are spending between 30k and 50k for electronics. Zaldain interviewed the BASS guys on one of the stops on his YouTube channel. It’s obviously necessary to compete or they would not spend that kind of money on it. They have 2 types of FFS based on the interviews I watched. They were referring to it as salt water and fresh water. One has a longer range I think. They all had both. I rarely agree with Mr Randy but some points are valid on this tech. One thing I would agree with him and Hank Parker on is the HS competition. That should be a level playing field as far as I am concerned. If you like it, great. If you don’t, great. With the exception above I don’t care. Nothing is level in HS competition. You’ve got a kid throwing a bass pro crankbait on a ugly stick with mono and another team with g loomis rod’s throwing 20 dollar baits, different mapping, etc.
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: grandbassslayer]
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03/26/24 07:12 PM
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I am not going to get it. Don’t want to invest that much on something I won’t get to use very often. As far as the pros I say go for it. These guys are spending between 30k and 50k for electronics. Zaldain interviewed the BASS guys on one of the stops on his YouTube channel. It’s obviously necessary to compete or they would not spend that kind of money on it. They have 2 types of FFS based on the interviews I watched. They were referring to it as salt water and fresh water. One has a longer range I think. They all had both. I rarely agree with Mr Randy but some points are valid on this tech. One thing I would agree with him and Hank Parker on is the HS competition. That should be a level playing field as far as I am concerned. If you like it, great. If you don’t, great. With the exception above I don’t care. Nothing is level in HS competition. You’ve got a kid throwing a bass pro crankbait on a ugly stick with mono and another team with g loomis rod’s throwing 20 dollar baits, different mapping, etc. Not the same comparison. I have caught just as many on Bass Pro and Academy baits as I have using megabass or any other high end brand. My Lowriders perform ever bit as well as my Cara's. There will never be a time where a flasher beats FFS.
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: SAKS]
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03/26/24 07:16 PM
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grandbassslayer
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I am not going to get it. Don’t want to invest that much on something I won’t get to use very often. As far as the pros I say go for it. These guys are spending between 30k and 50k for electronics. Zaldain interviewed the BASS guys on one of the stops on his YouTube channel. It’s obviously necessary to compete or they would not spend that kind of money on it. They have 2 types of FFS based on the interviews I watched. They were referring to it as salt water and fresh water. One has a longer range I think. They all had both. I rarely agree with Mr Randy but some points are valid on this tech. One thing I would agree with him and Hank Parker on is the HS competition. That should be a level playing field as far as I am concerned. If you like it, great. If you don’t, great. With the exception above I don’t care. Nothing is level in HS competition. You’ve got a kid throwing a bass pro crankbait on a ugly stick with mono and another team with g loomis rod’s throwing 20 dollar baits, different mapping, etc. Not the same comparison. I have caught just as many on Bass Pro and Academy baits as I have using megabass or any other high end brand. My Lowriders perform ever bit as well as my Cara's. There will never be a time where a flasher beats FFS. It’s not a flasher, it’s 12” graphs with mega SI, 360 imaging, etc…..
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Re: FFS yes or no?
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03/26/24 07:21 PM
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I am not going to get it. Don’t want to invest that much on something I won’t get to use very often. As far as the pros I say go for it. These guys are spending between 30k and 50k for electronics. Zaldain interviewed the BASS guys on one of the stops on his YouTube channel. It’s obviously necessary to compete or they would not spend that kind of money on it. They have 2 types of FFS based on the interviews I watched. They were referring to it as salt water and fresh water. One has a longer range I think. They all had both. I rarely agree with Mr Randy but some points are valid on this tech. One thing I would agree with him and Hank Parker on is the HS competition. That should be a level playing field as far as I am concerned. If you like it, great. If you don’t, great. With the exception above I don’t care. When has anything in school regarding competion and sports been a level playing field.
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Re: FFS yes or no?
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As a High School coach for 14 years, I would say by definition HS sports have a level playing field. Both teams use the same league approved equipment, play on the same size field, etc. The talent is for sure not even, but the tools are. Yes, you can have more expensive helmets and pads, fancy gloves, etc, but the basic equipment is the same. One team does not get to use a NERF hoop and the other an NBA hoop.
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Re: FFS yes or no?
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As a High School coach for 14 years, I would say by definition HS sports have a level playing field. Both teams use the same league approved equipment, play on the same size field, etc. The talent is for sure not even, but the tools are. Yes, you can have more expensive helmets and pads, fancy gloves, etc, but the basic equipment is the same. One team does not get to use a NERF hoop and the other an NBA hoop. Correct the field is the same, the equipment the player hasn’t isn’t necessarily. They all fish in the same lake.
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: Farrside]
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I can see where you are coming from, but a more expensive helmet doesn't make a kid a more effective player, it just keeps him better protected. I think FFS actually helps the more entitled kid play better. But then again, so does side imaging over down scan, down scan over 2d, 2d over,,,,,,,,,, I believe it is an unfair advantage for the rich kids all the way around. Better boats, rods, etc. But I dont see a solution. It is what it is. I know my 9 year old will be at a disadvantage when he gets to HS because he is small, but in football just like fishing, he will just have to work harder and find a way! Someone always has an advantage, whiners whine about it, I hope my kid rises above it.
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: Strugglebus]
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Is Randy your daddy? Then who cares what Randy says.... ... Exactly.... Dan
"The problem with having a sense of humor is often that people you use it on aren't in a very good mood"... Lou Holtz
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: Strugglebus]
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As a High School coach for 14 years, I would say by definition HS sports have a level playing field. Both teams use the same league approved equipment, play on the same size field, etc. The talent is for sure not even, but the tools are. Yes, you can have more expensive helmets and pads, fancy gloves, etc, but the basic equipment is the same. One team does not get to use a NERF hoop and the other an NBA hoop. That's a very limited look at things. First off you have sports like golf, tennis and some others where the kid provides the equipment and it's not the same. Then you have parents that have kids getting private coaching and camps, it's not the same. In high school fishing you have boats with ultrex and GPS and you have granpa with his 25 year old boat that may are may not start. You have kids with captains that know what they are doing and kids with a captain that has never been to a lake and spends all his time catfishing
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: Farrside]
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And in HS, plenty of the kids go out with guides to learn spots and techniques. Life isn’t fair, quit whining about FFS and try harder. Losers whine, winners try harder. I’ve never seen so many people beat, just by looking at other people’s graphs, half of these people can’t even work them properly; but yet the whiners are convinced they will automatically lose.
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: grandbassslayer]
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I am not going to get it. Don’t want to invest that much on something I won’t get to use very often. As far as the pros I say go for it. These guys are spending between 30k and 50k for electronics. Zaldain interviewed the BASS guys on one of the stops on his YouTube channel. It’s obviously necessary to compete or they would not spend that kind of money on it. They have 2 types of FFS based on the interviews I watched. They were referring to it as salt water and fresh water. One has a longer range I think. They all had both. I rarely agree with Mr Randy but some points are valid on this tech. One thing I would agree with him and Hank Parker on is the HS competition. That should be a level playing field as far as I am concerned. If you like it, great. If you don’t, great. With the exception above I don’t care. Nothing is level in HS competition. You’ve got a kid throwing a bass pro crankbait on a ugly stick with mono and another team with g loomis rod’s throwing 20 dollar baits, different mapping, etc. Can't tell you how many LMB I've seen caught with an Ugly Stik using mono especially with a crankbait. Believe Rick Clunn would rather use it for crankbait fishing too. Matt Robertson likes it, too. Once on the Stik it's not likely the Bass will get off that easily ... Good Fishing
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: Farrside]
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That part is true about golf, tennis, etc. I coach Football and Basketball, so I didnt really consider those when I said HS sports. Kind of like Band and Cheerleading. hahahaha You made some good points..
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Re: FFS yes or no?
[Re: GreaseMonkey]
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I have the least favorable brand of FFS, Humminbird. I may not see every fish or be able to see my lure retrieve while watching the fish move in for the bite every time, but, the one thing I believe makes it worth the cost is being able to identify dead water and move on without wasting time. Being able to see that areas are holding schools of bait fish and seeing bigger fish in an area helps a lot also. I have found bass in random spots that I would have never even made a cast otherwise.Saying all that, you don't necessarily have to be good at targeting big individual bass with FFS to get a benefit from it. I am very new at using FFS and I'm over 50, so it is quite the learning curve for me, I would definitely recommend FFS to anyone who bass fishes. If you haven't updated your software to the latest 1.300 version, do so. I was just about ready to invest in a Garmin graph for my bow. I installed the update and now the Mega Live isn't that far behind Garmin, and IMO is on par with Active Target.
Last edited by sprigsss; 03/27/24 02:16 PM.
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