https://www.wired2fish.com/news/stracner-out-at-sabine-elite-series

Fill me in on why you cannot get a fishing license in Texas. Here in Alabama, you just pay the price and you get a license. Mind you out of state on are rather high but I'm sure that is across the board as that goes.

Well, I was wrong.

see below

below are my comments on the debate we had on the guy who got won the $100,000. tournamwent on wright-patman but got disqualified because of a screw-up buying his license on-line....this is probably going to cost Stracner a chance to fish the classic and and possible sponsorship losses...TPWD would not have given him a ticket under the circumstances (or a judge would have thrown out the ticket) and B.A.S.S. should have allowed him to fish....with all the screwups buying licenses going on,BASS and all tournament organizations need to get out of enforcing license purchase....




""I believe there is 7 mentions of people with license/transaction problems on BBC forum thread and couple on here...I know of 3 beside myself who had problems a few years ago here in Georgia....one of the problems in my area is that not many places sell licenses and if you go to wal-mart the sporting goods section may not have anybody on duty to write licenses....that was mentioned by the man who got disqualified and he tried at walmart but then had to try to do his icenses himself with his phone.""..

I believe he got a ticket for no license in South Dakota during a prefishing trip. Apparently some states have a law that if you are ticketed for this you can’t buy a license for one year.

Could be a child support issue in Texas. If you owe back child support and have not been making payments you can get denied. I believe there are other reasons too. Just guesses at this point.

If he has any issue in the state of Texas, could be reasons he is getting denied.

He literally explained why he got denied. He stated he got a ticket for no license in another state. Texas and that state are part of of a group that if you get that said ticket in one you lose license privileges for a year in all.

if he deliberately didn't buy a license in another state,he deserves the multi-state penalty....if it was simple oversight,IMHO the penalty is too severe....and i know there will be those who disagree because they believe failure to zip up your life jacket deserves just as severe penalty as those who are getting fish out of a basket...

So do you think BASS should let him still fish without a license?

Why is it always someone else's fault?

Because no one owns anything any more. It's everyone else's issue.

Forgot to buy a fishing license? That deserves the electric chair or a public stoning.

The schedules are released well in advance for a guy to have plenty of time to look up everything required to be legal in each state. As for as buying a license online I don't understand not checking and double checking that it went through. If in doubt contact that agency to get it corrected and keep the TD in the loop.

If a guy doesn't verify or forgets to buy one then it's on him. 99 other guys figured out a way to get it done.

In this case sounds like it's a state issue and not a BASS issue. No way BASS could knowingly let him fish without a license. I doubt a game warden would let it slide either if he was checked.

I know there are several states that reciprocate that deal. Texas Louisiana Arkansas Oklahoma Louisiana Kansas I believe are all in.

Mess around and give up your ability to hunt or fish in 7 states. Be a miserable few years.

Yes! yes! let us gather the stones for an evening of stoning to the bone...... sure beats running from those bulls in Spain.....

Oh and thanks for the info. We here in Alabama we just write one on a piece of paper and call it done.

Seems very odd that not having a license in one state would keep you from getting a license in another state. I guess I just don't understand the need for that sort of law, very weird situation.

So be it. Mistakes DO have consequences.

I don’t see the issue. Mess around and don’t get a license, then face the consequences. No is saying Stone the guy, but you don’t get to fish without a license.

didn't say that .....am saying the penalty for losing $100,000. was too severe in the wright patman situation and simply forgetting to buy a license in another state and getting banned from fishing by several other states is too severe a penalty.......if somebody deliberately fishes without a license,they deserve a penalty but after reading the story on wired to fish,you can bet he did not intend to break the law in south Dakota.....

He is more likely to get busted in SD than Texas. …..it’s ignorant to think you could fish in ANY state without a license. If you make a living fishing, and break laws governing fishing, you deserve a LARGER/STIFFER fine. Just like a business would have more severe fines for braking laws.

He’s a [censored] for failing to get a license…so is the guy that lost out on his 1st place money. They should share a room and a boat. They would have a lot to talk about.

In both cases it's 100% the fault of each guy. You don't like it then petition tge trails and states to change it but stop blaming everyone else. Like I said every other guy in those events figured out how to be compliant.

You rant in OT all the time about how people breaking rules and laws need to be held accountable then you post up here that it's wrong to hold these guys accountable.

Apparently 48 states participate in this. Rules vary from state to state and since Dogfish started the thread........

https://www.outdooralabama.com/law-enforcement-contacts/interstate-wildlife-violator-compact

It says anyone who is denied fishing privileges in a member state "may" lose the privilege in Alabama and if they lose the privilege in Alabama they can lose them in other member states.

I honestly hope an uninsured motorist plows into your car…you’ll be ok with it because it can be really difficult to remember to get insurance before you drive

I've never heard of anyone losing fishing privileges for simply fishing without a license.

A ticket is warranted, but a 1 year suspension is a bit steep IMO.

Seems like every case I've ever heard of involving loss of fishing or hunting privileges were due to more egregious offenses.

I am usually on the side of the "rules", but this seems pretty steep. If he failed to pay the fine for not having a fishing license, then I get it completely. If the guy paid the fine and is still being denied a fishing license from another state that participates in this consortium of cooperating states, that is simply wrong. Seems like double jeopardy to me if he has already paid the fine originally issued for not having a license. What about the rest of the Elite tourneys in other states?

It's a state issue though. Nothing BASS can do about it.

I think because he is a "Pro" he should get a bye and not have to follow the rules a perch jerker has to abide by.

I get that. I am all for following the rules. Someone help me out.....Does Tx have this law in place? (1 year suspension of license if caught without a license?) If so, then I digress and have no beef here. If not, then TPWD is enforcing another state's law right? Just seems a bit odd to me that my elected (appointed) governing body is enforcing a non native law from a state 1000 miles away with a population 1/30th the size of Tx.

It's the Interstate Wildlife Violators Compact. Texas is a member.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Wildlife_Violator_Compact#:~:text=The%2048%20IWVC%20member%20states,on%20the%20Governor's%20desk)%2C%20Nevada

Maybe he needs an exemption for doing something ignorant (and illegal) and then being passive aggressive to attempt to justify his DQ?

Why are you asking "why did this happen", not to be rude and no offense meant, but are you ignorant? He explains he chose to be irresponsible and broke a law in another state and the state of Texas chooses to hold people accountable.

It's all right there, do you read?

Alabama is part of that Interstate Wildlife Violators Compact as well. I guess every state is different in how they handle violators in that agreement.

Correct me if I am wrong in this scenario........So in Texas, I can go down to the jetty w/o a license, get a ticket for no license and perhaps be the star of an episode of Lone Star Law, walk across the road to Academy and buy a license for $50, pay my $100 fine for no license at the courthouse the next day, and I am golden.

But......... if I went to one of these other states where they blacklist you for a year and got the same ticket for no license and PAID the fine, TPWD is going to deny me a fishing license to fish Texas waters? Am I missing something here? I am not asking for supporters, just looking for confirmation that this is the way things work.

I honestly don't know. I didn't even know that pact existed until this thread was started.

I didn't know either Mark. I have seen GW's write hundreds of Tix for no licenses (bridge fisherman). I cant imagine those people would ever be denied a license in this state for a whole year, especially if they paid the fine.

You’re funny

I think this happens when you leave the state the ticket was issued in, without PAYING THE FINE. I think if he would have went down to the county courthouse in “whatever co”, South Dakota, paid his fine, then went in about his way, this would be a moot point.

But he left the state with business still on the table. It’s the states way of punishing dead beat sportsmen. .

DF Jones just wants to complain.

The angler posted "why did this happen"

And I have zero problem with that if the guy failed to take care of his business in whatever state, USA. Even if Tx has to enforce it. I just never saw where it was clarified if the fine was paid or not. With him being an elite series angler, I would hope he would know that would have to catch up with him at some point.

here is what Stracner had to say about the situation where he lost his license in another state.....you be the judge but from his explanation it sounds as if he did not intentionally break South Dakota law nor does it sound like he failed to pay for a license or a ticket in that state..I would like to know the entire story but I find it hard to believe that anyone who fishes professionally and buys licenses in multiple states and would risk their livelihood by trying to save a few dollars by fishing without a license...also the lake he was fishing in (Oahe) covers two states which may or may not have played a part in whether he was ticketed...

“Last year while on a pre-practice trip to another state, I received a ticket for no fishing license ( which is another crazy story) and by that state’s laws that means automatic license loss for one year in that state (which I did not know would happen). So fast forward to now, I found out this week of a law called ‘compact interstate law‘ that a handful of states participate in. Which means if you lose your license in one state, then you lose it in the other states that are part of the compact. So the only choice I had was to notify BASS officials. I couldn’t have dreamed up a situation like this would happen the way it did, but it happened … lol.

The way he makes it sound is that because he did not have a license, he LOSES any current license in all participating states and cant get a new one in a participating state. That is what I read. Like I said before, if he didn't take care of that then it's all on him, but he paid that ticket, that's a bit overboard imo.

Just because he makes it sound a certain way, doesn’t mean that’s how it exactly went down.

I wouldn’t get in the internet and say I failed to take care of a ticket. Sho would want to paint that picture for everyone to see?

True dat

From South Dakota Legislature:
41-6-74.1. Revocation of hunting, fishing, or trapping privilege for conviction of certain offenses.
(3) Violation of any other statute or rule pertaining to fishing, hunting, or possessing game or game fish without a license or during a closed season;

From South Dakota Game, Fish, & Parks:
Nonresident Consequences and Failure to Comply
If you receive a citation for violating one or more of South Dakota's hunting, fishing, or trapping laws and if you fail to comply with the terms of the wildlife citation, the State of South Dakota will formally notify you of your failure to comply. The State of South Dakota will then notify the wildlife agency of the state in which you reside. The wildlife agency of your home state will notify you regarding your failure to comply with the terms of the wildlife citation issued in South Dakota.

After receiving the notification from your home state, if you fail to comply with the terms of the wildlife citation issued in South Dakota, your home state may then initiate suspension of your respective hunting, fishing, or trapping privileges. The suspension of privilege will remain in effect until your home state receives satisfactory evidence from South Dakota that you complied with the terms of the wildlife citation issued in South Dakota. Pending such notification, your respective privileges will be suspended indefinitely in your home state and the other states that comprise the Compact.

If you formally indicate your desire to contest the case in court, the suspension of privileges will not be implemented during the period of time the case is being contested.



I do not know exactly the terms of the citation that he would have needed to comply. Does he fall under the IWVC because he failed to comply with the terms of the citation or because South Dakota revoked his license in that state?

Never-the-less, the entire question would be moot if the "professional" fisherman had properly procured a license in the first place.

what a dumb azz. his lively hood is fishing and cant figure the rules out? welcome to the real world imo.

I ask because I did not know why this happened.
I had not read anything about the reason it did, I do not read everything on the internet. I just figured you guys in Texas would know so I ask. As I have always said, there is no stupid question if you do not know the answer.

I just looked that up, wow 48 states are in this. I have never heard or talked with someone here in Alabama or Georgia that was affected by this. I know you can go to Walmart here and get on in about 3 minutes after you find a person working in the sporting good section to assist you. I have mine automatically renewed every year online.
I have but 1 more time to purchase fishing license here in Alabama, after you reach 65 you do not have to renew them anymore. Wonder how that would work if you were over 65 now?

My question, if 48 states are in this, how has he been getting his license so far for every tournament?

Ronnie Moore made the comment that he should be able to get a license for the last three events.

you don't have to buy a fishing or hunting license if you are over 65 in Georgia but you have to renew that H.I.P. stamp/survey....and....you still have to buy hunting or fishing licenses in all the other states I've been to.(Texas,Ark.Miss.North Dakota,New YorkAlabama)....apparently there is no exemption for being over 65 unless you are a resident of that state...

If you were born before July 1, 1952 you can get a free lifetime license but after you get a lifetime license at a discounted rate.
https://georgiawildlife.com/lifetimelicense

See? Even in your own state you need to double check to stay legal.

Do we stone him before strapping him in the electric chair or after???...

I'll drive to wherever I have to to get a paper license... I am not computer/ tech savvy so I don't trust myself to do it over the internet... Dan

I double check here in Alabama and 65 and older that are a legal residence do not need to purchase fishing license anymore.
One thing I never understood here in Alabama was no matter when you purchased you fishing license, everyone's ran out September 1st. I know when I lived in Georgia, it was a full 12 months from the day you purchased it, which seems like it is much fairer to get a full year and not some prorated time.
How is Texas, a set date or when you buy them??
I need to check Montana, if I can talk the wife into it, I would not mind moving there in the next few years. Find a little plot of a couple hundred acres and have a cabin built right smack in the middle of it. I will fish from any small creek on that land from then on. If not, I will stay here in Alabama.

Florida no need for license over 65... They have Sportsmans which I usually get - covers fresh/salt, hunter, archery, muzzleoader, turkey, WMA's etc... for $100 a year which is a good deal for all of it, but even better for mil/vet's it's only $20 a year. Or I should say it used to be, looks like they changed it this year when I renewed I no longer qualified, I think they changed it to Active/Retired only.

It used to be that all licenses expired after Aug 31....or you needed a new one on Sept 1 like Alabama.
Now you can do either. Expire on Aug 31 or renew for 12 months at a time. I believe the 12 month license costs a little more than the other.

If you move to Montana, Brrrrrrr.