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 Re: LOOKING AT FISH
[Re: HDVS]
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02/18/22 02:21 PM
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sprigsss
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I personally believe snagging a fish with Live Sonar would be more impressive than catching a fish with Live Sonar.
I believe intent is the deciding factor.
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
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02/18/22 02:35 PM
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Bryanmc57
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I believe in black and white rules and no gray areas. But many push those areas at every level. And that is how we end up with foolish rules like California has and the way an organization like BASS interprets them. The rule out there reads "the fish has to attempt to voluntarily take the bait inside its mouth". Trip Weldon interpreted that to mean the fish had to be hooked from inside the mouth. Go pull up the video of the Elite tournament Steve Kennedy won at Clear Lake. He has a 10 pound fish that took an 8 inch Huddleston swimbait head first down its throat, but the hook entered from outside the mouth and he had to release it. Be careful what you wish for...
Honora Primum Vel Nullum Omnin Honorem
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
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02/18/22 02:51 PM
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HDVS
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I believe in black and white rules and no gray areas. But many push those areas at every level. And that is how we end up with foolish rules like California has and the way an organization like BASS interprets them. The rule out there reads "the fish has to attempt to voluntarily take the bait inside its mouth". Trip Weldon interpreted that to mean the fish had to be hooked from inside the mouth. Go pull up the video of the Elite tournament Steve Kennedy won at Clear Lake. He has a 10 pound fish that took an 8 inch Huddleston swimbait head first down its throat, but the hook entered from outside the mouth and he had to release it. Be careful what you wish for... I'm not wishing for anything. I completely do not agree with the Cali rule. Those fish were not sight fish in any way. My question has been this whole time is more about how do you interpret sight fish. To me visually and FFS is sight fishing. You are actively seeing these fish and how they are moving and sitting.
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
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02/18/22 03:25 PM
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Txduckhunter
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I believe in black and white rules and no gray areas. But many push those areas at every level. And that is how we end up with foolish rules like California has and the way an organization like BASS interprets them. The rule out there reads "the fish has to attempt to voluntarily take the bait inside its mouth". Trip Weldon interpreted that to mean the fish had to be hooked from inside the mouth. Go pull up the video of the Elite tournament Steve Kennedy won at Clear Lake. He has a 10 pound fish that took an 8 inch Huddleston swimbait head first down its throat, but the hook entered from outside the mouth and he had to release it. Be careful what you wish for... I'm not wishing for anything. I completely do not agree with the Cali rule. Those fish were not sight fish in any way. My question has been this whole time is more about how do you interpret sight fish. To me visually and FFS is sight fishing. You are actively seeing these fish and how they are moving and sitting. So with that as an explanation - while catching schooling fish on top, I would assume that any fish you caught outside the mouth, you would release them?
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
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02/18/22 03:41 PM
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beartrap
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this thread reminds me of the argument we had about whether it was legal to keep a fish that you "hand lined" in after your line broke.....if we look at the big picture,why do we have rules or laws against snagging a fish?....the opportunity to snag a fish is so rare that you would never use that tactic to catch fish in a tournament...you can make a pretty good argument that it's about as easy to entice a bedding fish to bite as it is to snag one.......and....the limit controls how many fish you can legally take home so what is the difference between methods of catching them?
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
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02/18/22 04:04 PM
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Ranger1
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
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02/18/22 04:05 PM
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HDVS
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I believe in black and white rules and no gray areas. But many push those areas at every level. And that is how we end up with foolish rules like California has and the way an organization like BASS interprets them. The rule out there reads "the fish has to attempt to voluntarily take the bait inside its mouth". Trip Weldon interpreted that to mean the fish had to be hooked from inside the mouth. Go pull up the video of the Elite tournament Steve Kennedy won at Clear Lake. He has a 10 pound fish that took an 8 inch Huddleston swimbait head first down its throat, but the hook entered from outside the mouth and he had to release it. Be careful what you wish for... I'm not wishing for anything. I completely do not agree with the Cali rule. Those fish were not sight fish in any way. My question has been this whole time is more about how do you interpret sight fish. To me visually and FFS is sight fishing. You are actively seeing these fish and how they are moving and sitting. So with that as an explanation - while catching schooling fish on top, I would assume that any fish you caught outside the mouth, you would release them? Completely off again! A topwater fish is not laying on the surface where u can see it. And it is obviously coming up to attack a bait. Even if u see that fish on FFS its under the surface and comes up to eat the bait.
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
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02/18/22 04:24 PM
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Ok I will simplify the question. Is using FFS sight fishing in your opinion? yes or no works fine
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
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02/18/22 04:43 PM
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sprigsss
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Ok I will simplify the question. Is using FFS sight fishing in your opinion? yes or no works fine Not even close. Huge difference between seeing a fish with your eyes and having an electronic device that gives you an approximate distance, direction, and depth of a fish that is likely moving. It allows you to get your lure in the strike zone, but i dont think it is letting people hit them in the head. Your screen makes it look like the bait is right on them, but its because you are projecting a 3 dimensional world on a 2D screen.
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
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02/18/22 04:47 PM
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B.K.S.
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I believe the argument can be made both ways. My opinion is it is a form of sight fishing. I hate that I had to disagree with the expert on the subject, but oh well!
B.K.S.
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
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02/18/22 04:48 PM
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Tiltman
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Careful Sprigsss
JHS will tell you that is asinine and of no common sense , maybe even in the same sentence
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
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02/18/22 04:51 PM
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fishnfireman
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Ok I will simplify the question. Is using FFS sight fishing in your opinion? yes or no works fine NO !
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
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02/18/22 05:04 PM
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TDR2
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All I know is that Livescope is cheating till I can afford one and learn to use it.
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
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02/18/22 08:06 PM
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J.H.S.
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Careful Sprigsss
JHS will tell you that is asinine and of no common sense , maybe even in the same sentence
Living rent-free in your head I see.
Live Daringly, Boldy, and Fearlessly....Embrace the Challenge So That You May Feel the Exhiliration of Victory.
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
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02/18/22 08:16 PM
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Tiltman
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Such a tired term , you can do better despite your mental handicap
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