Studies of some of the earliest known samples of HIV provide clues about when it first appeared in humans and how it evolved. The first verified case of HIV is from a blood sample taken in 1959 from a man living in what is now Kinshasa in the Democratic Republic of Congo. The sample was retrospectively analysed and HIV detected.
Many scientist blame the polio vaccine for spreading SIV to humans in the form of HIV.
The scientist who got a Nobel prize for the polio vaccine denied using chimpanzees for 50 years, though many of his apprentices have admitted they used chimpanzees. Chimpanzees were know at the time to carry SIV.

WAWI is right.

please don’t be alarmed at the amount of moms that use the local er as covid treatment centers. I could use my hands to count the number of children that have died from this.

That's ludicrous. Every American has had the polio vaccine, as in hundreds of millions of us over the last 65 years. That only gay men would have developed HIV after taking the vaccine, and spread it to others through sexual contact, more than strains the bounds of credibility.

I know the question will be, "Okay, so where did HIV come from?" Where did any disease come from? How was there no flu, then one day someone had the flu? How did Ebola come about?

Sounds like a normal day in the Bunker.

Agreed. You take your chances as you see fit. However, I have noticed a number of unvaccinated tough guys posting from the ICU about the importance of getting vaccinated. In general, you reap what you sow - Galatians 6:7.

Your argument is strongly based on science,
The congo is the only place the polio vaccines used chimpanzee.
The congo is where HIV and AIDs came from.
The sad fact of your statement is you think HIV is only from gays. Bless your heart.

am sure someone has said this already (didn't read all posts), but it's just one side labeling the other side. We seem to be consumed with the other side and labels. Not solutions, labels!

Patient Zero in the U.S. was a gay man, a "stewardess" as I recall. AIDS, the disease that arises from the HIV virus, spread through the gay community before being introduced into the bisexual and heterosexual community. It is still a largely gay disease although it rarely affects others, such as people receiving transfusions and NBA players who will mate with anything that moves.

But maybe gays have a different genetic makeup so that's why the chimpanzee-riddled Polio vaccine only affected them. Yep, I bet that's it.

Here’s my issue with the whole situation, the constant lies and cover ups. Show the real numbers of deaths and hospital admissions from the vax’d and un-vax’d, when everything is deleted from FB and all those sites, it smells of cover up. I want the truth and then I can decide. I want to know how many people got the first shot and then got sick with Covid, like Pat Goff did.

My brother in law has been sick since his first shot, then he got his second shot and his whole family caught whatever it is that he has.

Show the fricking real numbers and then some of us will know what we really want to choose.

As of today, I don’t personally know a single person that has died from Covid; but I know a bunch that have had it and had just mild symptoms.

My general statement to my retail customers that ask me a question about something retail is { after 54 years in retail, the only thing I know about retail is, I know nothing about retail }. I make this statement because retail is a moving target with tons of variables. Kind of reminds me of this current mess we have with Covid. Great discussion, few answers. I got the shot my wife hasn't and we are still married and alive 35 years later. God's blessings and good health to you all.

This morning, I read that one can still contract this virus up to 90 days AFTER receiving the "vaccine".

I did not want to get this injection. However, I was diagnosed with an immune deficiency last year. Both my PCP and Immunologist highly recommended I get it. So I did, based on their advice.

I do believe my granddaughter who was a nurse in the ER and was moved to the covid unit because of overload. She say Drs and nurses are swarmed with patients who are unvaccinated. I would get the vaccination because Drs and Nurses need some relieve. Many are quitting and/or retiring and seems we need to help them all we can. And the majority says get it.

I retired after being on the COVID Unit, catching COVID severely, and deciding at the time I couldn't stand a reinfection. At the time it was unknown whether one could be reinfected.

Let me just say this, most of the nursing groups I am still a member of online and folks I know personally are of the mindset that healthcare organization management does seem to care whether Drs and nurses get relief.