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Re: the USAF.
[Re: Gusick]
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06/22/21 07:33 PM
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Bigbob_FTW
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Transsexuals have a long history of serving in the US military going back at least to the Civil War. sometimes I think your cord doesn't reach the outlet.
FJB
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Re: the USAF.
[Re: Bigbob_FTW]
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06/22/21 07:49 PM
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Allison1
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heck, in my day, if they found out you were gay you were out. no if ands or butts. You were in not too long after my dad I believe. When the issue of gas came up was decades after dad had gotten out in 1967. What he said I consider fact because dad always seemed to tell it like it was. He said when he enlisted just after the start of WW2 there were people that everyone knew were gays. They were generally left alone but were not singled out and demonized. It became a political issue when the don't ask, don't tell and dad just brought it up one evening while it was the topic of the news that day. He thought it stupid that people did not know that gays had always been in the military. I can't speak to your dad or his experience, but in SAC, being outted was grounds for a bad conduct discharge. I've seen it many times. there was no such thing as don't ask don't tell. we were asked at our physical. Dad was in SAC, we were in NC at Seymour Johnson AFB during the Cuban Missile Crisis. He was just gone one day. His boss called and said he would be gone for an undetermined amount of time. He was allowed to call home three weeks later and was home the following week. He was at Nellis when he left the service. He had 27 years and wanted to make 30 but mom said she was "taking the kids to San Antonio" so he retired. Mom did not like all the gambling in Nevada. He did not speak about what happened when they were found and I have no doubt that they were drummed out but what he said is that everyone knew they were there and few did anything about them. Don't ask started 25 years after dad left the service.
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Re: the USAF.
[Re: Bigbob_FTW]
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06/22/21 08:00 PM
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Gusick
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Transsexuals have a long history of serving in the US military going back at least to the Civil War. sometimes I think your cord doesn't reach the outlet. It does.
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Re: the USAF.
[Re: Bigbob_FTW]
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06/22/21 08:49 PM
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Bob Davis
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When I went in in early 73, saying you were gay, got you out of the USAF. One of the guys in our barracks was gone after the 3rd day. He was the same one that we could hear whimpering a few times. Now, they would probably give you another stripe and a double bed if you said you were gay.
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
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Re: the USAF.
[Re: Gusick]
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06/22/21 08:50 PM
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Bob Davis
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Transsexuals have a long history of serving in the US military going back at least to the Civil War. sometimes I think your cord doesn't reach the outlet. It does. Perhaps, but how long have you been without power?
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
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Re: the USAF.
[Re: Bob Davis]
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06/22/21 08:55 PM
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Allison1
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Transsexuals have a long history of serving in the US military going back at least to the Civil War. sometimes I think your cord doesn't reach the outlet. It does. Perhaps, but how long have you been without power? Our power just came on 15 minutes ago. It was off for 15 minutes. Oh, by the way, no pics please.
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Re: the USAF.
[Re: Allison1]
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06/22/21 08:58 PM
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Bob Davis
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Our power just came on 15 minutes ago. It was off for 15 minutes.
Oh, by the way, no pics please.
Are you serial Clark? We haven't lost power in the Liquor City yet.
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
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Re: the USAF.
[Re: Bigbob_FTW]
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06/22/21 09:01 PM
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Allison1
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You can imagine what went through my mind. Coal, gas, windmills and another thread on the TFF.
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Re: the USAF.
[Re: Allison1]
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06/22/21 09:12 PM
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Emit R Detsaw
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Oh, by the way, no pics please.
Sorry, just had to. LOL! Oh, and this thread went off like expected. Being a cross dresser/drag queen doesn't necessarily mean you are gay or transsexual. Although it usually is a tell.
May you be treated the way you treat other people, today and everyday!
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Re: the USAF.
[Re: Bigbob_FTW]
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06/22/21 10:28 PM
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Catyakker
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In my 28 years of service,(1966-1994) all those I knew who were discharged, were not discharged for being Gay, but were discharged for Fraudulent Enlistment. And during the early days, after serving a bit of time incarcerated.
Retired AF Security Police Chief TPWD ELITE ANGLER
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Re: the USAF.
[Re: Bob Davis]
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06/22/21 10:44 PM
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FishDFly
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When I went in in early 73, saying you were gay, got you out of the USAF. One of the guys in our barracks was gone after the 3rd day. He was the same one that we could hear whimpering a few times. Now, they would probably give you another stripe and a double bed if you said you were gay. Early 1973 as well, we had several who disappeared the first couple of days.
FDF
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Re: the USAF.
[Re: Gusick]
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06/24/21 12:34 AM
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KingwoodCat
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Good lord Bob. That's had to have been 30 years ago. They've been allowing people to be openly gay for 10 years. Trans people in the military are the new frontier, their status has changed several times in the last 5 years, but I think they will be permitted permanently now. Thirty years ago even the military believed in Judeo-Christian principles. Now the military is Godless. Immoral is immoral in my book.
"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him had better take a look at the American Indian".
Henry Ford
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Re: the USAF.
[Re: Gusick]
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06/24/21 10:17 AM
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MrRoachie
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Transsexuals have a long history of serving in the US military going back at least to the Civil War. sometimes I think your cord doesn't reach the outlet. It does. AC or DC? That is what matters.
God loves you just as much as anybody else!!
Jesus offered His life as a gift for you. Please accept it!
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Re: the USAF.
[Re: Catyakker]
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06/24/21 10:50 AM
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Jamoke
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In my 28 years of service,(1966-1994) all those I knew who were discharged, were not discharged for being Gay, but were discharged for Fraudulent Enlistment. And during the early days, after serving a bit of time incarcerated. I work on a military facility, I see blatant fraudulent enlistment at least once a week, if not more often. Previous unreported arrests (10 or more), Numerous meds, BH and other not reported, Numerous BH and physical conditions that are not authorized not previously reported, I am talking about current issues not stuff from childhood, on meds NOW, mentally hospitalized as few as several months ago. I have brought the issue up with Numerous JAG officers, COC, medical and Behavioral. Most if not all of them wind up in BH or WTB/ WTU for a year or more before being medically retired with huge lists of ailments, they never actually serve in any way. No punishment that I can see now to lie. I was told by a full COL to "stay in my lane" and not to worry about it. As a Soldier for 24 years, now with 36 years serving the Army total, It just irks me that we are So coddling now, I have actually seen senior NCO's reprimanded for correcting privates who were inappropriate. Many of these soldiers leave with more ailments than a CSM who retires over 30 years. Now as far back as I can remember there has always been gays in the Army both men and women, everyone pretty much knew, most of them were some of the hardest working, smartest most trustworthy people, we all just pretty much pretended we didn't know. It takes a lot to push someone out now, every private has his congressman on speed dial.
Last edited by Jamoke; 06/24/21 10:52 AM.
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Re: the USAF.
[Re: Bigbob_FTW]
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06/24/21 11:28 AM
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FishDFly
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I remember in the 70's if you got in trouble in civilian life, some times you were given the choice of jail time or joining the service. Did help out some folks, sounds like those days are long gone.
FDF
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