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Cheater Tony Christian
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06/16/21 09:22 PM
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Listening to the latest BTL they were discussing the BFL all-american and I went back an looked who past winners of it were and didn't realize Tony Christian won it in 2003... by quite a large margin. For those that don't know he is the one who got caught cheating after a streak of several big tournament wins and was quietly told to go packing and never come back. I'm sure it was quite an embarrassment to FLW but many of the old articles on his wins are still archived on the MLF website and bassfan Red Hot Tony Christian Tony "The Magician" Christian Christian wins All-American. Someone could do a movie about this guys exploits as a con man, I wish they would do a 20 feet deep documentary on him with or without him, I know the bass talk live guys have said that is their holy grail documentary follow by whatever happen with the Michael Bennett deal.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/16/21 09:42 PM
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Gilbert M.
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What’s the Michael Bennet deal?
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/16/21 09:50 PM
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Tiltman
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A lot of the Angling world has forgot the phenom that was TC , I remember that deal when it went down.
There has been some doozy's , especially locally
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/16/21 10:02 PM
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What’s the Michael Bennet deal? He won the Forrest Wood Cup and for reasons unknown walked away from the sport.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/16/21 10:36 PM
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grout-scout
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I don’t think it was ever proven that he was cheating and if it was, they sure didn’t disclose how. (Tony Christian)
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
[Re: SC-001]
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06/16/21 10:45 PM
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I'd have to hunt for the article but the jist was that divers found what they were looking for and watched him , don't think he was prosecuted I think they took the path of least fallout for them and made him go away.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/16/21 10:50 PM
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He won the All-American that was held at Mobile/Alabama delta....the guy that came in second was from the that area and reportedly said that he "lived there 30 years and caught one 6lb bass and tony christian must be a heckuva fisherman to come down here and catch two in one week".....
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
[Re: beartrap]
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06/16/21 11:08 PM
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He won the All-American that was held at Mobile/Alabama delta....the guy that came in second was from the that area and reportedly said that he "lived there 30 years and caught one 6lb bass and tony christian must be a heckuva fisherman to come down here and catch two in one week"..... Wow that was a low weight event, feel bad for the guy in second and look who got 3rd https://majorleaguefishing.com/events/2003-05-28-all-american/results/ His weight was over twice what 2nd had I have no doubt he cheated and stole $101,000 some serious coin and even more so in 2003.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/16/21 11:35 PM
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A 20 foot deep on that would be great, Jeffries has talked about doing that before. I can't believe that the All American was not televised as it had been before. Was a cool tournament to watch
If you watched the shows at the Black Rifle Coffee opening...for the record, James Watson did ask if he could sign my baby at the Hartwell Classic expo, I about rolled on the floor laughing at my wifes face.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
[Re: Lone_Wolf]
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06/17/21 12:23 AM
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He won the All-American that was held at Mobile/Alabama delta....the guy that came in second was from the that area and reportedly said that he "lived there 30 years and caught one 6lb bass and tony christian must be a heckuva fisherman to come down here and catch two in one week"..... Wow that was a low weight event, feel bad for the guy in second and look who got 3rd https://majorleaguefishing.com/events/2003-05-28-all-american/results/ His weight was over twice what 2nd had I have no doubt he cheated and stole $101,000 some serious coin and even more so in 2003. wow that really looks like he cheated..
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/17/21 12:49 AM
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I have met and talked with Bennet over dinner along with some other guys. He’s a good dude I would say, he actually took the winnings bought a house, and went to nursing school if I remember correctly, I think there was a girl mentioned also. He was talking about coming back. Some folks see life differently.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/17/21 01:27 AM
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What’s the Michael Bennet deal? He won FLW Championship then took the money and put himself through nursing school and quit fishing the Tour. From all I know he lives in Florida and is doing well.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/17/21 01:32 AM
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I have met and talked with Bennet over dinner along with some other guys. He’s a good dude I would say, he actually took the winnings bought a house, and went to nursing school if I remember correctly, I think there was a girl mentioned also. He was talking about coming back. Some folks see life differently. He may be the only bass fisherman ever that's ahead.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
[Re: Gilbert M.]
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06/17/21 02:15 AM
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I have met and talked with Bennet over dinner along with some other guys. He’s a good dude I would say, he actually took the winnings bought a house, and went to nursing school if I remember correctly, I think there was a girl mentioned also. He was talking about coming back. Some folks see life differently. I seem to remember them saying on that podcast it also had something with him getting snubbed for a team deal from FLW and he decided to more wisely invest his money as you said. Hard to believe they would do that with a young marketable angler that had just won their championship but they didn't seem to be the smartest run company back then.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/17/21 02:18 AM
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I seem to remember a relationship mentioned also, either she left him over the tour lifestyle and that factored into him leaving or she didn't and convinced him to quit.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/17/21 12:16 PM
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there was a doctor many years ago that finished 2nd in Classic that fished a few more tounaments but never gave up his medical career to fish full time...I believe his name was Dr. Greg South from Virginia and he finished second to Rick Clunn on Arkansas river in early 80's.....
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/17/21 12:46 PM
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Trust me TC was caught red handed. I was there! How they handled all of it I will never agree with. They used Walmart as the excuse not to want any bad press. The sheriffs dept arrested him when he waked of the stage in Morgan City but later released him and everyone involved was told not to ever discuss the details! There was a whole sting operation set up starting in Florida at the first tournament that yr and then carried over to La. It always amazed me that he was so arrogant that he didn't pull the plug on what he was doing but I guess he thought he was smarter than everyone else. The all american he won at Mobile. He caught both of those 6 pounders off the same end of the same pipe. The Everstart he won in SC he caught every fish off of 1 dock pole and never fished any others during the days. How the co anglers didn't see it earlier is kinda crazy. He cost all of us money at some point in time whether it was a place or 2 doesn't matter. He cost several people a chance at a win of a lifetime! And as far as the whole team deal story with MB there was a whole group of us that got dropped at the same time. Wasn't really anything any of us did. They were scared that we were discussing our deals with the companies we ran the wraps for and in our contracts it said we couldn't! All had to be done thru them. A couple of guys had and they got really paranoid and kinda cleaned house and started over.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
[Re: Lone_Wolf]
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06/17/21 01:21 PM
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Used2fish
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He won the All-American that was held at Mobile/Alabama delta....the guy that came in second was from the that area and reportedly said that he "lived there 30 years and caught one 6lb bass and tony christian must be a heckuva fisherman to come down here and catch two in one week"..... Wow that was a low weight event, feel bad for the guy in second and look who got 3rd https://majorleaguefishing.com/events/2003-05-28-all-american/results/ His weight was over twice what 2nd had I have no doubt he cheated and stole $101,000 some serious coin and even more so in 2003. Off topic but man I love the all America and it’s prestige but how longs the prize been 100k? In 03 you could buy a truck and a boat with the winnings. Today you’d get a boat.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/17/21 01:23 PM
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This ^ sounds like what I read, they feared lawsuits and financial backlash so they squashed it and sent him packing. I wholeheartedly think he should have been prosecuted based on what I read. I was not a competitor there or anywhere near him but he was the typical sociopath narcissist liar they all turn out to be.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/17/21 06:32 PM
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Trust me TC was caught red handed. I was there! How they handled all of it I will never agree with. They used Walmart as the excuse not to want any bad press. The sheriffs dept arrested him when he waked of the stage in Morgan City but later released him and everyone involved was told not to ever discuss the details! There was a whole sting operation set up starting in Florida at the first tournament that yr and then carried over to La. It always amazed me that he was so arrogant that he didn't pull the plug on what he was doing but I guess he thought he was smarter than everyone else. The all american he won at Mobile. He caught both of those 6 pounders off the same end of the same pipe. The Everstart he won in SC he caught every fish off of 1 dock pole and never fished any others during the days. How the co anglers didn't see it earlier is kinda crazy. He cost all of us money at some point in time whether it was a place or 2 doesn't matter. He cost several people a chance at a win of a lifetime! And as far as the whole team deal story with MB there was a whole group of us that got dropped at the same time. Wasn't really anything any of us did. They were scared that we were discussing our deals with the companies we ran the wraps for and in our contracts it said we couldn't! All had to be done thru them. A couple of guys had and they got really paranoid and kinda cleaned house and started over. So how exactly was he cheating with a co angler in the boat? What was the tactic that was so discreet and sneaky that he could pull it off with someone 10' away on the back deck. I just don't get it but i mean it seems pretty obvious that he definitely cheated.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/17/21 06:40 PM
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Trust me TC was caught red handed. I was there! How they handled all of it I will never agree with. They used Walmart as the excuse not to want any bad press. The sheriffs dept arrested him when he waked of the stage in Morgan City but later released him and everyone involved was told not to ever discuss the details! There was a whole sting operation set up starting in Florida at the first tournament that yr and then carried over to La. It always amazed me that he was so arrogant that he didn't pull the plug on what he was doing but I guess he thought he was smarter than everyone else. The all american he won at Mobile. He caught both of those 6 pounders off the same end of the same pipe. The Everstart he won in SC he caught every fish off of 1 dock pole and never fished any others during the days. How the co anglers didn't see it earlier is kinda crazy. He cost all of us money at some point in time whether it was a place or 2 doesn't matter. He cost several people a chance at a win of a lifetime! And as far as the whole team deal story with MB there was a whole group of us that got dropped at the same time. Wasn't really anything any of us did. They were scared that we were discussing our deals with the companies we ran the wraps for and in our contracts it said we couldn't! All had to be done thru them. A couple of guys had and they got really paranoid and kinda cleaned house and started over. So how exactly was he cheating with a co angler in the boat? What was the tactic that was so discreet and sneaky that he could pull it off with someone 10' away on the back deck. I just don't get it but i mean it seems pretty obvious that he definitely cheated. I think they thought it wasn't a good idea to make public knowledge of how he was doing it to give any other sociopaths ideas. I could only imagine it might have been similar to to what Mike Long was doing in tournaments or maybe he had an even better system.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/17/21 06:54 PM
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beartrap
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I'm told there is a cheating method in which the angler catches fish prior to the tournament then ties them off with light line to something like a dock post....during the tournament the angler makes repeated casts to that spot with a jig and exposed hook until he hooks the line then slowly pulls it up to the fishes jaw and sets the hook hard enough to break the light line and hauls the fish into the boat....usually the fish has enough strenght to put up some fight and the angler can swing the rod back and forth and make it look like the fish is putting up a bigger struggle.....there is a video out there showing T.C. catching a large fish that some felt like he was manipulating the fish to make it look like the fish was fighting harder than he really was... Reportedly they put a cameraman in T.C.'s boat and he never caught anything all day until the cameraman left the boat then he ran to a dock and made repeated casts to a corner of the dock until he caught a large bass...
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/17/21 07:02 PM
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I'm told there is a cheating method in which the angler catches fish prior to the tournament then ties them off with light line to something like a dock post....during the tournament the angler makes repeated casts to that spot with a jig and exposed hook until he hooks the line then slowly pulls it up to the fishes jaw and sets the hook hard enough to break the light line and hauls the fish into the boat....usually the fish has enough strenght to put up some fight and the angler can swing the rod back and forth and make it look like the fish is putting up a bigger struggle.....there is a video out there showing T.C. catching a large fish that some felt like he was manipulating the fish to make it look like the fish was fighting harder than he really was... Reportedly they put a cameraman in T.C.'s boat and he never caught anything all day until the cameraman left the boat then he ran to a dock and made repeated casts to a corner of the dock until he caught a large bass... Wow...that's crazy!
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/17/21 07:02 PM
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I heard he had plastic tubs planted with fish in them. cut a hole in the top with slits around it. Flip jig in, fish bite and due to the slits was able to pull them out. Just rumor
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/17/21 07:16 PM
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Tiltman
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I heard he had plastic tubs planted with fish in them. cut a hole in the top with slits around it. Flip jig in, fish bite and due to the slits was able to pull them out. Just rumor This was part of what I read and the other was the fish tied on a slide line snag the line carefully reel to the fish's face and snag
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/17/21 07:27 PM
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SkeeterRonnie
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this type of junk is what makes guys become crappie anglers dang cheating pos sorry excuse for human beings. When I hate bass and the drama I go crappie fishing. lol. It soothes the soul and recharges me.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/17/21 07:40 PM
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/17/21 07:47 PM
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^^^^ I was the next guy in line to weigh one , as I walked down the stair off the stage I hear "hey this fish can't swim"
I turned around to see mine was still on stage and the guy at the tank was who said it after putting it in.
scared me for a sec.
The angler had already walked over and sat on a picnic table and was talking to my partner. The whole thing hit the fan rt after we untied from the dock and went back out.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/17/21 10:46 PM
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I heard he had plastic tubs planted with fish in them. cut a hole in the top with slits around it. Flip jig in, fish bite and due to the slits was able to pull them out. Just rumor Pretty warm right there! But there is alot more to it and the whole situation. I can't say details bc I am to close to the people who set it all up and busted the cheating piece of [censored]! Trust me it's not a rumor!!
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
[Re: HDVS]
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06/18/21 01:10 AM
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Douglas J
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I heard he had plastic tubs planted with fish in them. cut a hole in the top with slits around it. Flip jig in, fish bite and due to the slits was able to pull them out. Just rumor Pretty warm right there! But there is alot more to it and the whole situation. I can't say details bc I am to close to the people who set it all up and busted the cheating piece of [censored]! Trust me it's not a rumor!! And you are who? Did you fish professionally?
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/18/21 01:55 AM
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grout-scout
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I heard he had plastic tubs planted with fish in them. cut a hole in the top with slits around it. Flip jig in, fish bite and due to the slits was able to pull them out. Just rumor Pretty warm right there! But there is alot more to it and the whole situation. I can't say details bc I am to close to the people who set it all up and busted the cheating piece of [censored]! Trust me it's not a rumor!! And you are who? Did you fish professionally? Yeah, interesting. Here we have a guy on an Internet forum, that basically nobody knows and he says he knows all the details; but yet....this guy that nobody knows, won’t tell them??? Sounds legit! His new profession must either be a lawyer or in politics.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/18/21 02:02 AM
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HDVS is legit, no need to worry about that
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/18/21 02:08 AM
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HDVS is legit, no need to worry about that +1 he fished the flw tour for many years
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/18/21 02:20 AM
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beartrap
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Have a friend who is ex FLW employee and told me same thing HVDS is describing……
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/18/21 02:25 AM
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what makes it real upsetting with guys like this and mike long.....it seems like they are legitimately bad fishermen, and not just some guys tired of being average and cheating to get the edge. theyre just suckasses. Funny in this link how it mentions the guy getting skunked...and it being hard to skunk on the lake Question....and just asking, dont tear my head off cuz I know these guys who might be inferred are hammers....do you ever find it suspicious when a local completely dominates on his home lake in a bigger/national tournament?
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/18/21 02:29 AM
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Lone_Wolf
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He's legit, there are many a angler that fished that qualified and fished FLW tour you've never heard of, I drew one couple years ago in a Toyota event, dude was a stick. Remember they used to have a 200 boat field
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
[Re: bockscar]
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06/18/21 02:34 AM
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Lone_Wolf
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Question....and just asking, dont tear my head off cuz I know these guys who might be inferred are hammers....do you ever find it suspicious when a local completely dominates on his home lake in a bigger/national tournament?
No, what I find suspicious are local "hammers" that bring in insane bags of fish at the toughest time of year yet they can't seem compete regionally or nationally.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/18/21 02:35 AM
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Douglas J
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HDVS is legit, no need to worry about that Just curious who he is, name?
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
[Re: Lone_Wolf]
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06/18/21 02:41 AM
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bockscar
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Question....and just asking, dont tear my head off cuz I know these guys who might be inferred are hammers....do you ever find it suspicious when a local completely dominates on his home lake in a bigger/national tournament?
No, what I find suspicious are local "hammers" that bring in insane bags of fish at the toughest time of year and that can't seem compete regionally or nationally. anytime I see a giant tourney bag I wonder a bit. But...i think locals plant their own secret brush too. I feel its an unfair advantage from an outsiders perspective, but I dont think its cheating. But...you also hear rumors about baiting those brush piles too...so I dont know, slippery slope. Agree about the consistency though....you dont have to win every tourney, but even if you look at all the opens last year....the good guys seem to float around the top. so its a bit sketchy in those situations you mentioned. theres always cheaters when money is involved
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
[Re: bockscar]
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06/18/21 03:03 AM
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Question....and just asking, dont tear my head off cuz I know these guys who might be inferred are hammers....do you ever find it suspicious when a local completely dominates on his home lake in a bigger/national tournament?
No, what I find suspicious are local "hammers" that bring in insane bags of fish at the toughest time of year and that can't seem compete regionally or nationally. anytime I see a giant tourney bag I wonder a bit. But...i think locals plant their own secret brush too. I feel its an unfair advantage from an outsiders perspective, but I dont think its cheating. But...you also hear rumors about baiting those brush piles too...so I dont know, slippery slope. Agree about the consistency though....you dont have to win every tourney, but even if you look at all the opens last year....the good guys seem to float around the top. so its a bit sketchy in those situations you mentioned. theres always cheaters when money is involved I’ve never once left a tournament and thought those guys must have cheated. If I thought like that I’d have quit.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
[Re: Used2fish]
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06/18/21 03:06 AM
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Question....and just asking, dont tear my head off cuz I know these guys who might be inferred are hammers....do you ever find it suspicious when a local completely dominates on his home lake in a bigger/national tournament?
No, what I find suspicious are local "hammers" that bring in insane bags of fish at the toughest time of year and that can't seem compete regionally or nationally. anytime I see a giant tourney bag I wonder a bit. But...i think locals plant their own secret brush too. I feel its an unfair advantage from an outsiders perspective, but I dont think its cheating. But...you also hear rumors about baiting those brush piles too...so I dont know, slippery slope. Agree about the consistency though....you dont have to win every tourney, but even if you look at all the opens last year....the good guys seem to float around the top. so its a bit sketchy in those situations you mentioned. theres always cheaters when money is involved I’ve never once left a tournament and thought those guys must have cheated. If I thought like that I’d have quit. I concur, not sure how people take the time to worry about others and still concentrate on their own fishing enough to be competitive. If I worried about all the "could-bees" I'd be so spun out that I would be fighting mad before Lee Greenwood finished singing.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/18/21 03:12 AM
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what makes it real upsetting with guys like this and mike long.....it seems like they are legitimately bad fishermen, and not just some guys tired of being average and cheating to get the edge. theyre just suckasses. Funny in this link how it mentions the guy getting skunked...and it being hard to skunk on the lake Question....and just asking, dont tear my head off cuz I know these guys who might be inferred are hammers....do you ever find it suspicious when a local completely dominates on his home lake in a bigger/national tournament? No and here's why.....the top guys on Rayburn literally put in a ton of time on the water scouting.....in Mundy's case, the holes he fished in January were community holes by March. Albert Collins has qualified for the classic at least 2 times. I fished with Clayton boulware in an open and he was awesome. The sticks on ray urn would know who is shady and shut them down. The truth is a hammer on Sam or Toledo can make $25-30k a year just jackpotting local tourneys and still sleep at home and not fade the expense and travel of a regional schedule.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/18/21 04:10 AM
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I heard he had plastic tubs planted with fish in them. cut a hole in the top with slits around it. Flip jig in, fish bite and due to the slits was able to pull them out. Just rumor Pretty warm right there! But there is alot more to it and the whole situation. I can't say details bc I am to close to the people who set it all up and busted the cheating piece of [censored]! Trust me it's not a rumor!! https://www.in-depthoutdoors.com/community/forums/topic/tourneys_148970/Excerpt from the link:
I fished with a couple of pros this year and they didn’t talk specifics but they said what he was doing was catching fish out of a box. This may not have technically been illegal because he was indeed catching fish. I guess it might be a loophole. It does in my mind violate the sportsmanship rule. I was also told that there were lots of lawsuits proposed against FLW for winning that fishermen were cheated out of and this prevented FLW from announcing anything. It appears they are more scared of being sued than being fair. I admit this is hearsay but it was told exactly the same way to my by at least 6 people who should be “in the know.” I’m more upset by FLW’s handling of it than the act. ABA or BASS would have announced it as would any other sports organization. I can assure you if this happend in my circuit everyone would know what happend. I don’t tolerate cheating. Another Excerpt:This is what I “heard” about the box in question. It was large enough to hold some decent fish. The lid was constructed in a manner that would allow a small gap for a bait to fall through. Once a lot of upward force was applied the fish could be pulled through the top. Maybe the top was made out of some thick semi-flexible rubber or something of that nature. Not 100% clear on the exact construction but I have a basic understanding of how it “supposedly” worked.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
[Re: bockscar]
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06/18/21 11:41 AM
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Question....and just asking, dont tear my head off cuz I know these guys who might be inferred are hammers....do you ever find it suspicious when a local completely dominates on his home lake in a bigger/national tournament?
No, what I find suspicious are local "hammers" that bring in insane bags of fish at the toughest time of year and that can't seem compete regionally or nationally. anytime I see a giant tourney bag I wonder a bit. But...i think locals plant their own secret brush too. I feel its an unfair advantage from an outsiders perspective, but I dont think its cheating. But...you also hear rumors about baiting those brush piles too...so I dont know, slippery slope. Agree about the consistency though....you dont have to win every tourney, but even if you look at all the opens last year....the good guys seem to float around the top. so its a bit sketchy in those situations you mentioned. theres always cheaters when money is involved Not at all tearing your head off but I gotta say you have a bit of an unhealthy view of competitive fishing. I have lived in Wylie since 1999 , I have fished both Lavon and Ray Hubb mostly for all those years , recently on Lavon there has been some awesome bags weighed in on weekly tournaments 8-10 lbs more that what I used to consider a pretty darn good bag in the past. I can’t even tell you any names of the current group of competitors but I can tell you the thought that they are cheating is no where in my head. Also I can add that there are “good” fishermen which most of us on here are and then there are “great” fishermen that are simply on a different level talent-wise which seems to come naturally when you fish with one of them. Guys like TC , ML,or RR were probably in the “good” but couldn’t stand not being in the “great” so they squared away in their head what scum bags they were/are and somehow in their mind elevated themselves to “great”
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
[Re: SC-001]
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06/18/21 12:22 PM
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Now I know why I’ve never won a tournament
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/18/21 12:42 PM
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I heard he had plastic tubs planted with fish in them. cut a hole in the top with slits around it. Flip jig in, fish bite and due to the slits was able to pull them out. Just rumor Pretty warm right there! But there is alot more to it and the whole situation. I can't say details bc I am to close to the people who set it all up and busted the cheating piece of [censored]! Trust me it's not a rumor!! https://www.in-depthoutdoors.com/community/forums/topic/tourneys_148970/Excerpt from the link:
I fished with a couple of pros this year and they didn’t talk specifics but they said what he was doing was catching fish out of a box. This may not have technically been illegal because he was indeed catching fish. I guess it might be a loophole. It does in my mind violate the sportsmanship rule. I was also told that there were lots of lawsuits proposed against FLW for winning that fishermen were cheated out of and this prevented FLW from announcing anything. It appears they are more scared of being sued than being fair. I admit this is hearsay but it was told exactly the same way to my by at least 6 people who should be “in the know.” I’m more upset by FLW’s handling of it than the act. ABA or BASS would have announced it as would any other sports organization. I can assure you if this happend in my circuit everyone would know what happend. I don’t tolerate cheating. Another Excerpt:This is what I “heard” about the box in question. It was large enough to hold some decent fish. The lid was constructed in a manner that would allow a small gap for a bait to fall through. Once a lot of upward force was applied the fish could be pulled through the top. Maybe the top was made out of some thick semi-flexible rubber or something of that nature. Not 100% clear on the exact construction but I have a basic understanding of how it “supposedly” worked. Well somebody had to put the fish in the box, correct? lol
Thats my money fish Kris Winhold
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
[Re: Douglas J]
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06/18/21 12:45 PM
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I heard he had plastic tubs planted with fish in them. cut a hole in the top with slits around it. Flip jig in, fish bite and due to the slits was able to pull them out. Just rumor Pretty warm right there! But there is alot more to it and the whole situation. I can't say details bc I am to close to the people who set it all up and busted the cheating piece of [censored]! Trust me it's not a rumor!! And you are who? Did you fish professionally? Yes I did! Had to walk away to raise my kids bc my ex went off the deep end. Back to fishing now and doing pretty well. Just not full time anymore for now. That's why I don't like throwing names around on a public form. Other than a Cheater! lol.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/18/21 12:46 PM
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HDVS is legit, no need to worry about that Thanks Neal! Still need to get together sometime
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
[Re: Fishinfellow]
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06/18/21 01:12 PM
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I heard he had plastic tubs planted with fish in them. cut a hole in the top with slits around it. Flip jig in, fish bite and due to the slits was able to pull them out. Just rumor Pretty warm right there! But there is alot more to it and the whole situation. I can't say details bc I am to close to the people who set it all up and busted the cheating piece of [censored]! Trust me it's not a rumor!! https://www.in-depthoutdoors.com/community/forums/topic/tourneys_148970/Excerpt from the link:
I fished with a couple of pros this year and they didn’t talk specifics but they said what he was doing was catching fish out of a box. This may not have technically been illegal because he was indeed catching fish. I guess it might be a loophole. It does in my mind violate the sportsmanship rule. I was also told that there were lots of lawsuits proposed against FLW for winning that fishermen were cheated out of and this prevented FLW from announcing anything. It appears they are more scared of being sued than being fair. I admit this is hearsay but it was told exactly the same way to my by at least 6 people who should be “in the know.” I’m more upset by FLW’s handling of it than the act. ABA or BASS would have announced it as would any other sports organization. I can assure you if this happend in my circuit everyone would know what happend. I don’t tolerate cheating. Another Excerpt:This is what I “heard” about the box in question. It was large enough to hold some decent fish. The lid was constructed in a manner that would allow a small gap for a bait to fall through. Once a lot of upward force was applied the fish could be pulled through the top. Maybe the top was made out of some thick semi-flexible rubber or something of that nature. Not 100% clear on the exact construction but I have a basic understanding of how it “supposedly” worked. Well somebody had to put the fish in the box, correct? lol That woulda been his brother who was an ex military diver!
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/18/21 01:22 PM
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keep in mind those polygraphs stop about 99% of the cheating in buddy or solo tournys.....FLW should have asked T.C. to take a polygraph (or maybe they did and he refused)....
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
[Re: beartrap]
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06/18/21 01:33 PM
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That woulda been his brother who was an ex military diver!
Interesting keep in mind those polygraphs stop about 99% of the cheating in buddy or solo tournys.....FLW should have asked T.C. to take a polygraph (or maybe they did and he refused).... Its the 1% like Robby Rose you have to worry about, I don't trust poly's
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/18/21 01:50 PM
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I heard he had plastic tubs planted with fish in them. cut a hole in the top with slits around it. Flip jig in, fish bite and due to the slits was able to pull them out. Just rumor Pretty warm right there! But there is alot more to it and the whole situation. I can't say details bc I am to close to the people who set it all up and busted the cheating piece of [censored]! Trust me it's not a rumor!! And you are who? Did you fish professionally? Yes I did! Had to walk away to raise my kids bc my ex went off the deep end. Back to fishing now and doing pretty well. Just not full time anymore for now. That's why I don't like throwing names around on a public form. Other than a Cheater! lol.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/18/21 01:51 PM
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the hard truth is when a poly catches a cheater the tournament directors sometimes dont have the stones for the dq because of the light it will shed on the trail . then the cheater gets away with it to do it again.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/18/21 01:52 PM
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A polygraph wasn't needed!! Trust me they had all goods on him. They got him outa town as fast as possible bc of the backlash that was coming from anglers. It was not going to be pretty! His boat was already damaged pretty bad by the time he got out of Morgan City!
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/18/21 02:29 PM
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Ain't tournament fishing grand???... Dan
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/18/21 02:54 PM
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Ain't tournament fishing grand???... Dan Anything that involves money will bring out bad people!! Just the way things are. To me it's the greatest sport in the world and I will NEVER let a few losers change my opinion of that! I just believe that the ones who do cheat should always be remembered and never forgotten.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/18/21 03:15 PM
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Question....and just asking, dont tear my head off cuz I know these guys who might be inferred are hammers....do you ever find it suspicious when a local completely dominates on his home lake in a bigger/national tournament?
No, what I find suspicious are local "hammers" that bring in insane bags of fish at the toughest time of year and that can't seem compete regionally or nationally. anytime I see a giant tourney bag I wonder a bit. But...i think locals plant their own secret brush too. I feel its an unfair advantage from an outsiders perspective, but I dont think its cheating. But...you also hear rumors about baiting those brush piles too...so I dont know, slippery slope. Agree about the consistency though....you dont have to win every tourney, but even if you look at all the opens last year....the good guys seem to float around the top. so its a bit sketchy in those situations you mentioned. theres always cheaters when money is involved Not at all tearing your head off but I gotta say you have a bit of an unhealthy view of competitive fishing. I have lived in Wylie since 1999 , I have fished both Lavon and Ray Hubb mostly for all those years , recently on Lavon there has been some awesome bags weighed in on weekly tournaments 8-10 lbs more that what I used to consider a pretty darn good bag in the past. I can’t even tell you any names of the current group of competitors but I can tell you the thought that they are cheating is no where in my head. Also I can add that there are “good” fishermen which most of us on here are and then there are “great” fishermen that are simply on a different level talent-wise which seems to come naturally when you fish with one of them. Guys like TC , ML,or RR were probably in the “good” but couldn’t stand not being in the “great” so they squared away in their head what scum bags they were/are and somehow in their mind elevated themselves to “great” I also think that cheaters think that way. A good fisherman that isn’t great can’t grasp that they aren’t the best everyday so they think it can’t be that they got beat….. the other guys must be cheating so I’ll cheat better.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/18/21 05:34 PM
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Yes I did! Had to walk away to raise my kids bc my ex went off the deep end. Back to fishing now and doing pretty well. Just not full time anymore for now. That's why I don't like throwing names around on a public form. Other than a Cheater! lol.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
[Re: grout-scout]
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06/18/21 07:08 PM
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HDVS
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Yes I did! Had to walk away to raise my kids bc my ex went off the deep end. Back to fishing now and doing pretty well. Just not full time anymore for now. That's why I don't like throwing names around on a public form. Other than a Cheater! lol.
BV? What's BV? But not my initials
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
[Re: SC-001]
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06/18/21 08:59 PM
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M Delgado was a wack job for sure
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/18/21 09:14 PM
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M Delgado was a wack job for sure
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/18/21 10:29 PM
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M Delgado was a wack job for sure Seen this before but it is brilliant.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
[Re: Tiltman]
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06/18/21 10:45 PM
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Question....and just asking, dont tear my head off cuz I know these guys who might be inferred are hammers....do you ever find it suspicious when a local completely dominates on his home lake in a bigger/national tournament?
No, what I find suspicious are local "hammers" that bring in insane bags of fish at the toughest time of year and that can't seem compete regionally or nationally. anytime I see a giant tourney bag I wonder a bit. But...i think locals plant their own secret brush too. I feel its an unfair advantage from an outsiders perspective, but I dont think its cheating. But...you also hear rumors about baiting those brush piles too...so I dont know, slippery slope. Agree about the consistency though....you dont have to win every tourney, but even if you look at all the opens last year....the good guys seem to float around the top. so its a bit sketchy in those situations you mentioned. theres always cheaters when money is involved Not at all tearing your head off but I gotta say you have a bit of an unhealthy view of competitive fishing. I have lived in Wylie since 1999 , I have fished both Lavon and Ray Hubb mostly for all those years , recently on Lavon there has been some awesome bags weighed in on weekly tournaments 8-10 lbs more that what I used to consider a pretty darn good bag in the past. I can’t even tell you any names of the current group of competitors but I can tell you the thought that they are cheating is no where in my head. Also I can add that there are “good” fishermen which most of us on here are and then there are “great” fishermen that are simply on a different level talent-wise which seems to come naturally when you fish with one of them. Guys like TC , ML,or RR were probably in the “good” but couldn’t stand not being in the “great” so they squared away in their head what scum bags they were/are and somehow in their mind elevated themselves to “great” Yea, I do have that cynical bone in me...and it doesnt help when youve heard cheating stories from the lowest local weekly wildcats/night tourneys all the way to near the top (havent heard of BASS/MLF cheating yet). Id disagree about these guys being good though, because from what ive read when Mike Long stop fishing solo or had someone with him....hed skunk and when he wouldnt he wouldnt contribute to a big bag and would catch small stuff. That article the guy linked mentioned a guy skunking on falcon and that being hard to do at that time. then you hear about this guy skunking too when hes being watched. Id think these guys might be good for casual fishermen, like the types that only fish once or twice a month....but when it comes to hardcore guys like us that are just straight bass heads, theyd probably suck compared to most of us...like the types that like bass fishing enough to join a forum to post about it and of course tourney guy types. I might be wrong....but if you consistently cant catch something when eyes are around.....id say they suck. Im sure 99.9% of the field is legit....i always wonder about that .1 that ruins it for the bunch...cuz they are out there.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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06/18/21 11:32 PM
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Yes I did! Had to walk away to raise my kids bc my ex went off the deep end. Back to fishing now and doing pretty well. Just not full time anymore for now. That's why I don't like throwing names around on a public form. Other than a Cheater! lol.
BV? What's BV? But not my initials Bill Vandamn. Kevins little known brother.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
[Re: rkd]
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06/19/21 02:43 AM
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M Delgado was a wack job for sure Apparently it’s not Byron and Mary wasn’t the one that he would be referring too anyways, her name was Melinda. Byron was on BTL a few months back and did a great job with their interview. Said he had an online tackle shop setup in eBay, but I can’t remember the name of it. Had some really good stuff for sale. If anyone of you guys remember what his account was called (I think it was on eBay), can you post it please?
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
[Re: grout-scout]
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06/19/21 03:59 AM
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M Delgado was a wack job for sure Apparently it’s not Byron and Mary wasn’t the one that he would be referring too anyways, her name was Melinda. Byron was on BTL a few months back and did a great job with their interview. Said he had an online tackle shop setup in eBay, but I can’t remember the name of it. Had some really good stuff for sale. If anyone of you guys remember what his account was called (I think it was on eBay), can you post it please?
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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09/01/21 05:59 PM
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anytime I see a giant tourney bag I wonder a bit. But...i think locals plant their own secret brush too. I feel its an unfair advantage from an outsiders perspective, but I dont think its cheating. But...you also hear rumors about baiting those brush piles too...so I dont know, slippery slope. Agree about the consistency though....you dont have to win every tourney, but even if you look at all the opens last year....the good guys seem to float around the top. so its a bit sketchy in those situations you mentioned.
theres always cheaters when money is involved
I'm not a local hammer, but last September I found one spot where I caught two five pounders prefishing for two tournaments, one a circuit and one my bass club tournament the next week. I refused to go back there in the next two weeks of prefishing because I didn't want anyone to see me catch a fish. We had a fairly big three fish bag in the team tournament, then the next Saturday I caught almost 24 pounds (five fish) in about 30 minutes. The funny thing is I had to wait two hours for a guy from Louisana to move off the spot so I could move in. I didn't see him catch anything. I caught a 7.63 on my first cast. Second place that day was 6 pounds. Another guy in my club saw me catch them from another boat, plus I had someone fishing with me. He zeroed. I had exactly the right bait and threw to exactly the right spot, plus I knew they were there so I fished with confidence. It happens. I don't know anything at all about what happened with Tony Christian so I won't offer an opinion on him.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
[Re: Razorback]
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09/01/21 06:08 PM
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anytime I see a giant tourney bag I wonder a bit. But...i think locals plant their own secret brush too. I feel its an unfair advantage from an outsiders perspective, but I dont think its cheating. But...you also hear rumors about baiting those brush piles too...so I dont know, slippery slope. Agree about the consistency though....you dont have to win every tourney, but even if you look at all the opens last year....the good guys seem to float around the top. so its a bit sketchy in those situations you mentioned.
theres always cheaters when money is involved
I'm not a local hammer, but last September I found one spot where I caught two five pounders prefishing for two tournaments, one a circuit and one my bass club tournament the next week. I refused to go back there in the next two weeks of prefishing because I didn't want anyone to see me catch a fish. We had a fairly big three fish bag in the team tournament, then the next Saturday I caught almost 24 pounds (five fish) in about 30 minutes. The funny thing is I had to wait two hours for a guy from Louisana to move off the spot so I could move in. I didn't see him catch anything. I caught a 7.63 on my first cast. Second place that day was 6 pounds. Another guy in my club saw me catch them from another boat, plus I had someone fishing with me. He zeroed. I had exactly the right bait and threw to exactly the right spot, plus I knew they were there so I fished with confidence. It happens. I don't know anything at all about what happened with Tony Christian so I won't offer an opinion on him. What was the magic bait?
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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anytime I see a giant tourney bag I wonder a bit. But...i think locals plant their own secret brush too. I feel its an unfair advantage from an outsiders perspective, but I dont think its cheating. But...you also hear rumors about baiting those brush piles too...so I dont know, slippery slope. Agree about the consistency though....you dont have to win every tourney, but even if you look at all the opens last year....the good guys seem to float around the top. so its a bit sketchy in those situations you mentioned.
theres always cheaters when money is involved
I'm not a local hammer, but last September I found one spot where I caught two five pounders prefishing for two tournaments, one a circuit and one my bass club tournament the next week. I refused to go back there in the next two weeks of prefishing because I didn't want anyone to see me catch a fish. We had a fairly big three fish bag in the team tournament, then the next Saturday I caught almost 24 pounds (five fish) in about 30 minutes. The funny thing is I had to wait two hours for a guy from Louisana to move off the spot so I could move in. I didn't see him catch anything. I caught a 7.63 on my first cast. Second place that day was 6 pounds. Another guy in my club saw me catch them from another boat, plus I had someone fishing with me. He zeroed. I had exactly the right bait and threw to exactly the right spot, plus I knew they were there so I fished with confidence. It happens. I don't know anything at all about what happened with Tony Christian so I won't offer an opinion on him. What was the magic bait? An exposed hook. Just kidding before anyone tears my head off.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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09/01/21 09:44 PM
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Now I know why I’ve never won a tournament Striving to reach that "good" level! I don't know about the cheating angler but I do know a sleazy tournament promoter who ran trails in Texas, promised the winner of the championship a new truck, and then would either not have the championship or left with the truck before the tournament was over never to be seen again. You guys in Texas know exactly who I mean. What really bums me out is all you guys that win these tournaments don't even bother to send me a christmas card or thank you card for all the "donations" i have made over the years!
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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09/02/21 06:49 PM
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Question....and just asking, dont tear my head off cuz I know these guys who might be inferred are hammers....do you ever find it suspicious when a local completely dominates on his home lake in a bigger/national tournament?
No, what I find suspicious are local "hammers" that bring in insane bags of fish at the toughest time of year and that can't seem compete regionally or nationally. anytime I see a giant tourney bag I wonder a bit. But...i think locals plant their own secret brush too. I feel its an unfair advantage from an outsiders perspective, but I dont think its cheating. But...you also hear rumors about baiting those brush piles too...so I dont know, slippery slope. Agree about the consistency though....you dont have to win every tourney, but even if you look at all the opens last year....the good guys seem to float around the top. so its a bit sketchy in those situations you mentioned. theres always cheaters when money is involved Not at all tearing your head off but I gotta say you have a bit of an unhealthy view of competitive fishing. I have lived in Wylie since 1999 , I have fished both Lavon and Ray Hubb mostly for all those years , recently on Lavon there has been some awesome bags weighed in on weekly tournaments 8-10 lbs more that what I used to consider a pretty darn good bag in the past. I can’t even tell you any names of the current group of competitors but I can tell you the thought that they are cheating is no where in my head. Also I can add that there are “good” fishermen which most of us on here are and then there are “great” fishermen that are simply on a different level talent-wise which seems to come naturally when you fish with one of them. Guys like TC , ML,or RR were probably in the “good” but couldn’t stand not being in the “great” so they squared away in their head what scum bags they were/are and somehow in their mind elevated themselves to “great”Always felt the same way about these guys. And I give up a lot of $$$ on Lavon to those guys catching those big bags.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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09/02/21 09:25 PM
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I had two biggens in my sack and still never cashed a check....
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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09/03/21 11:14 AM
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Mike Long was never good. Talk to people that know the guy or read a ton of articles on this scum bag- he could barely cast a damn bait caster. It doesn't take a lot of skill to foul hook a big female using a 2/0 weighted treble hook.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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11/28/22 03:13 AM
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I gotta bring this back to the top for video I saw Mark Perry posted over on BBC, just LOL, I had no idea this video existed and I'm surprised FLW didn't have this scrubbed from youtube https://youtu.be/H_7L04p6CrY?t=464
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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11/28/22 04:26 AM
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I gotta bring this back to the top for video I saw Mark Perry posted over on BBC, just LOL, I had no idea this video existed and I'm surprised FLW didn't have this scrubbed from youtube https://youtu.be/H_7L04p6CrY?t=464WOW!
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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11/28/22 05:04 AM
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I gotta bring this back to the top for video I saw Mark Perry posted over on BBC, just LOL, I had no idea this video existed and I'm surprised FLW didn't have this scrubbed from youtube https://youtu.be/H_7L04p6CrY?t=464He said he has a "knack" for finding them......
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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11/28/22 05:08 AM
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Michael Bennet was A good guy. I ve seen this question asked several times.. I fished with him in the flw series east west fish off the year before he win the cup. He had a young wife or girlfriend to be wife. After the cup he won the following year the economy went bad and there were a few flw guys that walked away. Partly because flw wouldn't guarantee there sponsor deals until they signed up and entered the tournament for that season putting up the money first. it was a tough time for several guys. He was one of those California guys.. Good fisherman.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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11/28/22 05:16 AM
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When they caught those walleye cheaters. the talk about tc came up on you tube. I heard the story of fish in the submerged bucket. He apparently told the flw guys there was no rule about him doing this as he was catching the fish. whatever it was it wasn't exactly in the rules. weird situation. I can't remember which video it was on but I saw on you tube
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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11/29/22 03:30 AM
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It gets even better @ 13:00
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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11/30/22 07:13 PM
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Question....and just asking, dont tear my head off cuz I know these guys who might be inferred are hammers....do you ever find it suspicious when a local completely dominates on his home lake in a bigger/national tournament?
No, what I find suspicious are local "hammers" that bring in insane bags of fish at the toughest time of year yet they can't seem compete regionally or nationally. My thoughts exactly…..or what about the ones that always fish and never ever even place and then go on a mysterious winning streak?
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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12/02/22 02:39 PM
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M Delgado was a wack job for sure Seen this before but it is brilliant. Good one, LMAO, My wife just rolled her eyes...
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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12/05/22 09:41 PM
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What in the Robby Rose is going on here?
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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12/05/22 10:24 PM
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I thought TC was a technicality, basically rules not concise enough to say he broke the rules. if he did what I heard he caught them in the mouth, with a rod and reel, basically passed all the written rules. Still cheating in my mind, but did he break the rules of that time period? Im not sure.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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12/05/22 10:27 PM
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Like roping a buck deer right before the season. Hanging some Christmas bells off it's rack.
Nothing in the, 'book' about it.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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12/05/22 10:33 PM
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I thought TC was a technicality, basically rules not concise enough to say he broke the rules. if he did what I heard he caught them in the mouth, with a rod and reel, basically passed all the written rules. Still cheating in my mind, but did he break the rules of that time period? Im not sure. Although not 100% sure I think thats the concensus, FLW rules were not air tight enough so they couldn't prosecute but he was told to leave and never look back otherwise was going to be taken to the train station.
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Re: Cheater Tony Christian
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12/05/22 11:11 PM
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Not prosecuting had a whole lot more to do with not wanting the bad press with Wal Mart involved than how the rules were written.
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