I guess the last one standing dies of suicide. never did get that people think a gun kills people. guns don't kill, people shoot guns and kill people

Was it a bloody mess in Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, or Wyoming?

I was just referring to the unintended consequence excuse. You didn't.

Yes, in Texas you do. The moment that the officer asks to see your identification during that traffic stop, you have to also provide your LTC if you are armed. I don't know what the rules are in Colorado.

https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/GV/htm/GV.411.htm#411.205

Sec. 411.205. REQUIREMENT TO DISPLAY LICENSE. If a license holder is carrying a handgun on or about the license holder's person when a magistrate or a peace officer demands that the license holder display identification, the license holder shall display both the license holder's driver's license or identification certificate issued by the department and the license holder's handgun license.

Added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 165, Sec. 10.01(a), eff. Sept. 1, 1997. Amended by Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 62, Sec. 9.17(a), eff. Sept. 1, 1999.

Amended by:

Acts 2009, 81st Leg., R.S., Ch. 1146 (H.B. 2730), Sec. 12A.02, eff. September 1, 2009.

oh there you go trying to bring reason into this conversation.

Agreed his argument is a poor one. So he is against it. That's all I took away from his side of this debate. No facts, no references, nothing persuasive. He feels its "stupid". Not much to that.

The response, or counter point. Is just as weak if not weaker as it does not even state a position just uses incendiary comments and remarks. Its just sh** talking basically.

I would like to see people actually take a stance on an issue and speak to why they feel that way. Versus "this is stupid", "well you're an idiot and liar". Calling names is an attack its not an exchange of ideas.

no one is looking to exchange ideas with that idiot.

Ok. That was funny.

Well, thats pretty much what was going on....with exception of a few comments.



Thats a large % of what goes on in the OT regardless of the topic.

Regardless of your position, I hope each and every one one of you have the very best day of your life....because when this bill passes, it will be a bloody mess in the streets so I am told.

I'm certainly not wanting to argue with anyone here, my point was, as soon as you tell the LE that you are carrying, he/she can disarm you for
the duration of the stop. The law you just quoted specifically says, " . What if you have your LTC but you are not carrying? Do you still have to show the LE the DOC? Seems to me, as soon as you present the LTC you are
saying that you have a firearm on you. If LE asks me if I have a firearm in my vehicle, I'm telling them I have no duty to tell them either way. I don't know the
laws in other states and can only speak of Colorado and the 4th amendment. As a law abiding citizen, I have very little interaction with the PoPo.

Another point and I can only speak of my state but your vehicle falls under the castle doctrine. You do not need a CCW/ LTC to have
a firearm in your glove box of a vehicle or anywhere in that vehicle. It it were on your person and you got out of the vehicle and it was
concealed you would need a permit,

I remember an incident in Texas when open carry was against the law. A guy gets pulled over and the driver is out of the truck. The cop
asks him for something so he reaches into the truck and as he was bending and reaching, his jacket rode up and exposed his concealed
carry. The cop arrested/cited him for open carry.

legal heat is a great app to tell you about laws in each state

if carrying in Okieland you would go to jail if you failed to inform, cops discretion but they don't play with that one.
the only time I have been pulled over while carrying was on 82 in whitesboro, I had both hands on the wheel, wallet in lap, window down and first words out of my mouth were "sir, I have a carry weapon on me, what would you like me to do". had it in small of back and it stayed there all thru the stop, due to my stupidity in a school zone (I missed a new sign, 55 in a 35. had the cdl still and that constituted felony speeding, he reminded me as well) all went well and I got a warning and sent on my way.

when I lived up there (20 yrs.) it was constitutional carry for open carry, concealed needed a license, when I was guiding I regularly had a pistol on when in durango or pagosa, no one gave a rats behind. now, no way would I push my luck with what the kalifornicators have done to the state.


footnote: one of the anti gun people up there would probably shoot me for open carrying a pistol. just sayin.

Just need Texas and Florida on that list. For freedom to continue to ring it has to include these, especially Texas.