Do we have to attack donothin just because he has like a different viewpoint?

I feel like if you really love Free speech you have to love and embrace speech even if you disagree with it.

#1st amendment

Not sure I follow that logic. If you carry without an ltc and shoot someone you'd be in deep trouble. Also, why would anyone leave a weapon in their vehicle?

Somewhere recently, maybe on TFF, the question was asked, What does, "stupid is as stupid does" mean. I looked it up and the perfect definition is "constitutional carry".

I couple of things have jumped out at me reading through these responses. Some of you lawyer types please correct me if I am wrong, but here is what I believe to be true.

1. Probable cause to stop for a traffic violation is NOT the same as probable cause to search a vehicle. Just because you were speeding, the cop is not automatically allowed to search your vehicle or your person.

2. This thread is the only time I've heard of a cop asking a driver to give them their pistol. I don't think they can legally require you to do that unless they have cause to detain you (again, a traffic violation is does not provide that cause). Not sure exactly what I would do in that situation, but I am pretty sure I will NOT grab my gun, clear it, and hand it to a cop.

I've been pulled over multiple times with CHL/LTC. The closest a cop ever got to seeing my gun was asking where I kept it. I told him small of my back, and he replied "Okay, just don't reach your hands behind you."

elcoyote, your just made cause Okies are ahead of texas in every piece of major legislation. weed, gambling, CC carry. we don't have blue counties, or purple for that matter. God's country.

Correct. Probably cause for vehicle stop is not probable cause to search vehicle. An LTC holder who offers their license to the cop is also not probable cause to search the vehicle. If you have your LTC and are carrying, you're supposed to present the license to the officer upon any substantive encounter, like a traffic stop. On the rare times that I have to interact with police, I ask if they want to see my LTC. Most times they say no. Some will ask if I'm actually armed and if so, where the firearm is located. No incidents where they asked me to hand my sidearm to them nor have they asked to search the vehicle.

There's also a code section that prohibits officers from detaining or searching you merely because you are an LTC holder in possession of a firearm. Now, if you were brandishing the firearm the cops would have good reason to detain you, search you, etc.

Do we have to attack donothin just because he has like a different viewpoint?

I should be more excited about this than I am . It almost seems to be more about optics than anything. People who want to carry already do, the ones who didn’t before now, for the most part still won’t. Some newbies will start for about two weeks until they see what a pain in the [censored] it really is and will stop doing it. The unintended consequence is every car that is broken into will now have a gun stolen from it.