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Re: MLF bottom 10 losing tour card [Re: Big O Florida] #13861080 01/25/21 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Big O Florida


The industry overall is too small to have bad and untrustworthy actors in it. The sponsors and fans are capable of identifying and expelling those who they deem being just that, and what you’re seeing with MLF and their services and products being rejected is the result.


Since you present yourself as an ambassador for BASS, I deem you an untrustworthy actor and worthy of expulsion. In addition I will provide contact info to combat this constant negativity towards an industry competitor that is only driving business towards the fishing industry and its continued prosperity for its sales, service, broadcast and end users.

To cancel your BASS subscription/ membership or get a refund please contact customer service at Bassmaster@emailcustomerservice.com or call 1-877-227-7872.

If they ask tell them their fanboy big O from the TFF sent you.

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Re: MLF bottom 10 losing tour card [Re: Lone_Wolf] #13861098 01/25/21 11:59 PM
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I did not re-up my membership when all the guys left and don't plan to until they have an elite series even close to where I live where I would like to marshall in that case, the magazine is thin and worthless now.

Re: MLF bottom 10 losing tour card [Re: Lone_Wolf] #13861226 01/26/21 01:14 AM
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Interesting show on BTL today, every one thinks the sport is large now and apparently that is NOT the case. In 1991 35,000 new bassboats were sold, only 6,000 were sold last year. Only 12% of fisherman consider themselves bass anglers. ESPN lost millions on BASS when they bought them and attempted to promote them, I figure FOX and the BPT owner will do the same.

Re: MLF bottom 10 losing tour card [Re: grout-scout] #13861251 01/26/21 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by grout-scout
Interesting show on BTL today, every one thinks the sport is large now and apparently that is NOT the case. In 1991 35,000 new bassboats were sold, only 6,000 were sold last year. Only 12% of fisherman consider themselves bass anglers. ESPN lost millions on BASS when they bought them and attempted to promote them, I figure FOX and the BPT owner will do the same.



I'm calling major bs in 35k vs 6k boats sold.

Re: MLF bottom 10 losing tour card [Re: Used2fish] #13861253 01/26/21 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Used2fish
Originally Posted by grout-scout
Interesting show on BTL today, every one thinks the sport is large now and apparently that is NOT the case. In 1991 35,000 new bassboats were sold, only 6,000 were sold last year. Only 12% of fisherman consider themselves bass anglers. ESPN lost millions on BASS when they bought them and attempted to promote them, I figure FOX and the BPT owner will do the same.



I'm calling major bs in 35k vs 6k boats sold.




Seems odd to me too, but this dude is the man in fishing that keeps all the records. A boat didn’t cost $75k either back then.

Re: MLF bottom 10 losing tour card [Re: grout-scout] #13861259 01/26/21 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by grout-scout
Interesting show on BTL today, every one thinks the sport is large now and apparently that is NOT the case. In 1991 35,000 new bassboats were sold, only 6,000 were sold last year. Only 12% of fisherman consider themselves bass anglers. ESPN lost millions on BASS when they bought them and attempted to promote them, I figure FOX and the BPT owner will do the same.


That’s not surprising about ESPN, as BASS was just a tiny fraction of their portfolio and terribly managed, and ESPN itself was even smaller fraction of Disney’s portfolio. The amount of bass boats sold is not surprising either. They priced themselves out of market years ago and is perfect example of how the theory supply & “demand” drives prices higher is really false. High prices is driven higher by low demand because the entities building them want to maintain the same annual revenue regardless of volume of sales. Supply is adjusted lower according to demand.

I think the dynamic with Fox and BASS is different. BASS is a privately owned entity now, so profitability in this venture for both are measured differently. MLF is more like the BASS/ESPN situation of yesteryear... where the majority owner of MLF is also the owner of most of the TV networks its broadcast on.

Re: MLF bottom 10 losing tour card [Re: Lone_Wolf] #13861263 01/26/21 01:42 AM
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All great points.


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Re: MLF bottom 10 losing tour card [Re: Lone_Wolf] #13861321 01/26/21 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Lone_Wolf
I did not re-up my membership when all the guys left and don't plan to until they have an elite series even close to where I live where I would like to marshall in that case, the magazine is thin and worthless now.

So you never check out the website or keep up with it at all?

Re: MLF bottom 10 losing tour card [Re: Big O Florida] #13861323 01/26/21 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Big O Florida
Originally Posted by grout-scout
Interesting show on BTL today, every one thinks the sport is large now and apparently that is NOT the case. In 1991 35,000 new bassboats were sold, only 6,000 were sold last year. Only 12% of fisherman consider themselves bass anglers. ESPN lost millions on BASS when they bought them and attempted to promote them, I figure FOX and the BPT owner will do the same.


That’s not surprising about ESPN, as BASS was just a tiny fraction of their portfolio and terribly managed, and ESPN itself was even smaller fraction of Disney’s portfolio. The amount of bass boats sold is not surprising either. They priced themselves out of market years ago and is perfect example of how the theory supply & “demand” drives prices higher is really false. High prices is driven higher by low demand because the entities building them want to maintain the same annual revenue regardless of volume of sales. Supply is adjusted lower according to demand.

I think the dynamic with Fox and BASS is different. BASS is a privately owned entity now, so profitability in this venture for both are measured differently. MLF is more like the BASS/ESPN situation of yesteryear... where the majority owner of MLF is also the owner of most of the TV networks its broadcast on.
You have the boat business model all figured out....
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Re: MLF bottom 10 losing tour card [Re: grandbassslayer] #13861374 01/26/21 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by grandbassslayer
Originally Posted by Big O Florida
Originally Posted by grout-scout
Interesting show on BTL today, every one thinks the sport is large now and apparently that is NOT the case. In 1991 35,000 new bassboats were sold, only 6,000 were sold last year. Only 12% of fisherman consider themselves bass anglers. ESPN lost millions on BASS when they bought them and attempted to promote them, I figure FOX and the BPT owner will do the same.


That’s not surprising about ESPN, as BASS was just a tiny fraction of their portfolio and terribly managed, and ESPN itself was even smaller fraction of Disney’s portfolio. The amount of bass boats sold is not surprising either. They priced themselves out of market years ago and is perfect example of how the theory supply & “demand” drives prices higher is really false. High prices is driven higher by low demand because the entities building them want to maintain the same annual revenue regardless of volume of sales. Supply is adjusted lower according to demand.

I think the dynamic with Fox and BASS is different. BASS is a privately owned entity now, so profitability in this venture for both are measured differently. MLF is more like the BASS/ESPN situation of yesteryear... where the majority owner of MLF is also the owner of most of the TV networks its broadcast on.
You have the boat business model all figured out....
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Well we know the prices are BS. A 21’ boat should not cost $30k more than a 18’ boat, but they get it.

Sorry to off topic the thread again. Back to your regular scheduled bickering. Lol

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Originally Posted by grout-scout
Originally Posted by grandbassslayer
Originally Posted by Big O Florida
Originally Posted by grout-scout
Interesting show on BTL today, every one thinks the sport is large now and apparently that is NOT the case. In 1991 35,000 new bassboats were sold, only 6,000 were sold last year. Only 12% of fisherman consider themselves bass anglers. ESPN lost millions on BASS when they bought them and attempted to promote them, I figure FOX and the BPT owner will do the same.


That’s not surprising about ESPN, as BASS was just a tiny fraction of their portfolio and terribly managed, and ESPN itself was even smaller fraction of Disney’s portfolio. The amount of bass boats sold is not surprising either. They priced themselves out of market years ago and is perfect example of how the theory supply & “demand” drives prices higher is really false. High prices is driven higher by low demand because the entities building them want to maintain the same annual revenue regardless of volume of sales. Supply is adjusted lower according to demand.

I think the dynamic with Fox and BASS is different. BASS is a privately owned entity now, so profitability in this venture for both are measured differently. MLF is more like the BASS/ESPN situation of yesteryear... where the majority owner of MLF is also the owner of most of the TV networks its broadcast on.
You have the boat business model all figured out....
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Well we know the prices are BS. A 21’ boat should not cost $30k more than a 18’ boat, but they get it.

Sorry to off topic the thread again. Back to your regular scheduled bickering. Lol
Most business models have what they call "loss leaders", I suspect 18' boats are in that category.

Re: MLF bottom 10 losing tour card [Re: grandbassslayer] #13861623 01/26/21 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by grandbassslayer
Originally Posted by Big O Florida
Originally Posted by grout-scout
Interesting show on BTL today, every one thinks the sport is large now and apparently that is NOT the case. In 1991 35,000 new bassboats were sold, only 6,000 were sold last year. Only 12% of fisherman consider themselves bass anglers. ESPN lost millions on BASS when they bought them and attempted to promote them, I figure FOX and the BPT owner will do the same.


That’s not surprising about ESPN, as BASS was just a tiny fraction of their portfolio and terribly managed, and ESPN itself was even smaller fraction of Disney’s portfolio. The amount of bass boats sold is not surprising either. They priced themselves out of market years ago and is perfect example of how the theory supply & “demand” drives prices higher is really false. High prices is driven higher by low demand because the entities building them want to maintain the same annual revenue regardless of volume of sales. Supply is adjusted lower according to demand.

I think the dynamic with Fox and BASS is different. BASS is a privately owned entity now, so profitability in this venture for both are measured differently. MLF is more like the BASS/ESPN situation of yesteryear... where the majority owner of MLF is also the owner of most of the TV networks its broadcast on.
You have the boat business model all figured out....
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Nope, I sure don’t, but it’s not a business I would want to be in. There are single brand car lots that sell more units in a month than all brands of bass boats that get sold in a year... something is wrong with that business model, and it appears incessant greed and ego’s prevent the industry from pricing these things and it’s related components, more in line with actual costs to produce..

Re: MLF bottom 10 losing tour card [Re: emorydog] #13861628 01/26/21 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by emorydog
To cancel your BASS subscription/ membership or get a refund please contact customer service at Bassmaster@emailcustomerservice.com or call 1-877-227-7872.

If they ask tell them their fanboy big O from the TFF sent you.

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Re: MLF bottom 10 losing tour card [Re: Used2fish] #13861718 01/26/21 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Used2fish
Originally Posted by grout-scout
Interesting show on BTL today, every one thinks the sport is large now and apparently that is NOT the case. In 1991 35,000 new bassboats were sold, only 6,000 were sold last year. Only 12% of fisherman consider themselves bass anglers. ESPN lost millions on BASS when they bought them and attempted to promote them, I figure FOX and the BPT owner will do the same.



I'm calling major bs in 35k vs 6k boats sold.


Probably not including aluminum and multi species boats, just glass bass boats.

Re: MLF bottom 10 losing tour card [Re: Lone_Wolf] #13861763 01/26/21 03:19 PM
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Bassmaster says boat sales reached a 13 year high in 2020:

https://m.bassmaster.com/bass-life/us-boat-sales-reached-13-year-high-2020

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