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Re: Can someone explain this to me?
[Re: Duck_Hunter]
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05/02/20 04:39 PM
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Davedave
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Where does it state that they were revised down? Maybe they have, but I don’t see that. I see where they say there is a lag, and it may differ from other sources. If I had to bet, I would bet $6 that in a couple of weeks or so, it will be real close to what I see on a different dashboard.
Either way, all data should be fairly close by the end of the year. If it’s a 2 or 3 week lag, then the percentage difference is much higher now. The percentage difference will be much lower by the end of the year.
Or, none of the above. Ok, then the more accurate question would be: where did the media get the 65,000 number? And what does the 37,000 number in the link I posted in the OP mean, compared to what the media has been reporting all week? What am I missing? https://abcnews.go.com/US/coronavirus-live-updates-us-surpasses-65000-covid-19/story?id=70467380I take that to mean that there is a lag in their official numbers to be counted. Some previously considered to be covid may not be in the end. Some may be counted as covid that were not originally. I keep hearing that there is money involved, and an incentive to log covid deaths. That may be. But, I take it that’s why they are going through everything to be as accurate as possible. My mom was tested this week. She came back negative. I guess they could have told us she was positive, as I wouldn’t have any way to prove otherwise. I suspect the vast majority are just trying to do their jobs, and not participate in a vast conspiracy of revising upwards. But maybe so. Maybe our health care folks are as corrupt as our politicians.
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Re: Can someone explain this to me?
[Re: ReelBusy]
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05/02/20 04:45 PM
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Icepick
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The site I read provides links to the state data they use to assimilate numbers. One of the things you're "missing" could be the result of no uniform process for reporting data. Every state has their own system. Based on what metric, who knows. The states report to CDC and other federal agencies. The missing piece is where do the high numbers come from? Projected? Their aren't any high numbers. Their are the numbers being compiled in real time and the government numbers that lag behind because the government can't tie their shoes in real time. The "high numbers" come from good old fashioned research done by those compiling data.
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Re: Can someone explain this to me?
[Re: Icepick]
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05/02/20 04:54 PM
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The site I read provides links to the state data they use to assimilate numbers. One of the things you're "missing" could be the result of no uniform process for reporting data. Every state has their own system. Based on what metric, who knows. The states report to CDC and other federal agencies. The missing piece is where do the high numbers come from? Projected? Their aren't any high numbers. Their are the numbers being compiled in real time and the government numbers that lag behind because the government can't tie their shoes in real time. The "high numbers" come from good old fashioned research done by those compiling data. High numbers? The real numbers are the government numbers as that is the only source. Deaths are reported through the government agencies.
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Re: Can someone explain this to me?
[Re: Icepick]
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05/02/20 04:57 PM
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The site I read provides links to the state data they use to assimilate numbers. One of the things you're "missing" could be the result of no uniform process for reporting data. Every state has their own system. Based on what metric, who knows. Thank you. That could explain it.
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Re: Can someone explain this to me?
[Re: Duck_Hunter]
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05/02/20 04:58 PM
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Imagine if official election results were reported high and then the actual ballot counts came in and the results were adjusted down. Would that make sense to you guys?
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Re: Can someone explain this to me?
[Re: Davedave]
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05/02/20 04:59 PM
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Where does it state that they were revised down? Maybe they have, but I don’t see that. I see where they say there is a lag, and it may differ from other sources. If I had to bet, I would bet $6 that in a couple of weeks or so, it will be real close to what I see on a different dashboard.
Either way, all data should be fairly close by the end of the year. If it’s a 2 or 3 week lag, then the percentage difference is much higher now. The percentage difference will be much lower by the end of the year.
Or, none of the above. Ok, then the more accurate question would be: where did the media get the 65,000 number? And what does the 37,000 number in the link I posted in the OP mean, compared to what the media has been reporting all week? What am I missing? https://abcnews.go.com/US/coronavirus-live-updates-us-surpasses-65000-covid-19/story?id=70467380I take that to mean that there is a lag in their official numbers to be counted. Some previously considered to be covid may not be in the end. Some may be counted as covid that were not originally. I keep hearing that there is money involved, and an incentive to log covid deaths. That may be. But, I take it that’s why they are going through everything to be as accurate as possible. My mom was tested this week. She came back negative. I guess they could have told us she was positive, as I wouldn’t have any way to prove otherwise. I suspect the vast majority are just trying to do their jobs, and not participate in a vast conspiracy of revising upwards. But maybe so. Maybe our health care folks are as corrupt as our politicians. Glad your mom tested negative.
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Re: Can someone explain this to me?
[Re: Duck_Hunter]
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05/02/20 05:03 PM
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Re: Can someone explain this to me?
[Re: ReelBusy]
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05/02/20 05:05 PM
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Icepick
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High numbers? The real numbers are the government numbers as that is the only source. Deaths are reported through the government agencies. I don't know what point you are trying to make but by all means, keep trying. Government = federal, you know, that place in D.C. that accepts no responsibility and repeatedly tells the states it's all on them. State, local = where the numbers actually come from and are reported each day, or each week, or even a month after they happen because, well, you get what you pay for. Which part of this are you having trouble understanding?
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Re: Can someone explain this to me?
[Re: Duck_Hunter]
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05/02/20 05:41 PM
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If you actually go to the John Hopkins site or to the world-o-meter site they both very clearly state where all their data comes from. The CDC site also very clearly states in the footnotes that their data lags 1-8 weeks. Basically you have state and local governments posting the COVID-19 deaths on websites. John Hopkins and World-o-meter are hoovering that up and compiling it; they very clearly outline how they do that. The CDC on the other hand has to wait for each state and local government to file and then submit paperwork through the usual channels which are full of bureaucratic red tape that takes a bunch of time.
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Re: Can someone explain this to me?
[Re: Icepick]
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05/02/20 06:00 PM
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ReelBusy
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High numbers? The real numbers are the government numbers as that is the only source. Deaths are reported through the government agencies. I don't know what point you are trying to make but by all means, keep trying. Government = federal, you know, that place in D.C. that accepts no responsibility and repeatedly tells the states it's all on them. State, local = where the numbers actually come from and are reported each day, or each week, or even a month after they happen because, well, you get what you pay for. Which part of this are you having trouble understanding? Trouble understanding why inaccurate numbers would be posted. The process of death reporting is relatively simple. In Texas, local officials determine the cause of death and report it directly to the state. The Vital Statistics is mostly automated as is the syndromic surveillance which reports infections. This is much like election reporting and starts local, rolls up to the state. Not sure why people would accept election results with +40% discrepancy. They are either counted or they're not. The news projects results but we know how that goes.
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Re: Can someone explain this to me?
[Re: pchapin]
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05/02/20 07:40 PM
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Can you post a link? The link I posted still says 37,308 deaths.
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Re: Can someone explain this to me?
[Re: Jpurdue]
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05/02/20 07:42 PM
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If you actually go to the John Hopkins site or to the world-o-meter site they both very clearly state where all their data comes from. The CDC site also very clearly states in the footnotes that their data lags 1-8 weeks. Basically you have state and local governments posting the COVID-19 deaths on websites. John Hopkins and World-o-meter are hoovering that up and compiling it; they very clearly outline how they do that. The CDC on the other hand has to wait for each state and local government to file and then submit paperwork through the usual channels which are full of bureaucratic red tape that takes a bunch of time.
Thanks. So, the CDC has to wait for it to be official and submitted through a bunch of red tape, but the data that the individual states post, which later is confirmed by the CDC, is what’s being used by the media? That seems weird. Even weirder is that pchapin posted a screen shot of the 65,000 number from the CDC.
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Re: Can someone explain this to me?
[Re: Duck_Hunter]
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05/02/20 07:46 PM
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The government should take control of the media reporting to make sure everyone has the same numbers.
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Re: Can someone explain this to me?
[Re: Gusick]
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05/02/20 08:26 PM
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The government should take control of the media reporting to make sure everyone has the same numbers.
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Re: Can someone explain this to me?
[Re: Duck_Hunter]
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05/02/20 08:57 PM
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hopalong
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it's all an alien conspiracy, checked what is in your tap water lately?
you will be assimilated within the month.
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