The numbers I posted did not include those 3,700. Very foolish of them to count those numbers in my opinion as it is just going to add fuel to the conspiracy fire.

Are you saying Oskar isn’t something to be scared of?

Hindsight is 20/20 maybe if we had instead of locking the economy and well, low risk people down we had focused on the high risk, the elderly, the nursing homes, testing all those that came in contact with those, throw in some public awareness of handwashing and generally being a sanitary type person. I wonder what that plan would have looked like. Instead politicians spent their time grabbing head lines, telling landlords what they could and could not do with private property, creating ridiculous rules which nobody really followed anyway. But those who cry wolf will now claim they were right cause the wolf turned out to be a Oskar the wiener dog.

I probably lost more $ last night due to the late frost than the infamous hamburger flopper has lost due to the shutdown. Been self employed most of my career and so retirement funds are in investments that have taken a beating, so I still have a lot in the hunt Macho Man. Go get in your hopped up Toyota with fuzzy seats and jump some stumps.

COVID-19 has the leading cause of death in the United States for the last week plus in the face of the greatest lock down in our nation's history. 2,400 dead yesterday alone. In a normal flu season about 100 people die on a bad day from the flu. Honest question here WAWI, how many would have to die in a day before it wouldn't be blown way out of proportion?

I think it's becoming pretty clear the mortality rate isn't as early data indicated. Hopefully that'll help us get reopened sooner rather later.

I bet he does have the fuzzy seats and one of those fuzzy things on his steering wheel.

Fuzzy175. I like it.

I probably lost more $ last night due to the late frost than the infamous hamburger flopper has lost due to the shutdown. Been self employed most of my career and so retirement funds are in investments that have taken a beating, so I still have a lot in the hunt Macho Man. Go get in your hopped up Toyota with fuzzy seats and jump some stumps.

I think I understand what you think we did wrong and to your points here that I highlighted I think that would have been our best path and one that could have both controlled the virus and kept people working.
But here in the US, as we've seen, public awareness would not be enough. So many distrust the govt and hang on to their belief that the govt does not have the power to make short term changes to their lives. That one feature, public trust in govt, is hurtful to a plan to keep things open. Maybe if they would have kept things open they would have gotten more acceptance of rules that were made to stop the spread.

So at this point are we all willing to admit that


By reading your posts on the subject throughout the pandemic I felt like you thought it was the whole time.
By casting doubt in you question, it almost sounds like you aren't sure yourself.

I have gone back and forth on the way we handled it. I still think the only reason it was handled the way it has been is because in our society we don't expect people to pull together, even in an emergency like this.
I still don't think it was overblown. I would like to see an estimate on the numbers if we had continued to keep working and not done the slow down. I think the numbers would show pretty clearly they are saving many more lives than any estimates the deniers would agree with.

I don' think its been blown out of proportion in handling. In its reporting maybe but such is the state of the electronic age.

Not at all. A successful stay at home scenario will always make you think you did it for nothing. Many thousands dead who didn't have to because we waited too long, and many thousands saved because of the actions that we took.

No it wasn't going to kill everyone or half of everyone, but why do folks feel like it would have had to kill half the population to be worth shutting down for 6 weeks for? It's SIX WEEKS...and you guys are saying that it would have been worth the thousands of deaths it saved to avoid it. Just hard for me to understand that level of greed. Money is just paper - lives are real.

Money is freedom and choices