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Possible Head-On Satellite Collision - 5:39 pm Central over USA #13420037 01/29/20 02:46 PM
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LeoLabs, is monitoring a close approach event involving two dead satellites. The birds counterrotating orbits intersect today over Pittsburg, PA, at 5:39 pm Central.

Because the dead birds are in counterrotating orbits and one of the birds, IRAS (Infrared Astronomical Satellite) is very large, with a mass over 1000 kilograms, a head-on impact at a velocity of 14.9 kilometers per second (33,330 mph) would be catastrophic and add thousands of pieces of space debris into low earth orbit.

The concern of a head-on space collision like this is the potential chain reaction as each satellite collision turns two objects into thousands of smaller objects that endanger other satellites we depend on. The more space junk in orbit makes it more difficult to plan future launches and manage birds in orbit.

The issue is many of the now dead or soon to fail birds were launched with no plans to de-orbit after their missions are complete. It’s much more difficult to track the smaller objects and we still don’t have a scaleable solution to collect space debris.

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Re: Possible Head-On Satellite Collision - 5:39 pm Central over USA [Re: Blue Moon] #13420065 01/29/20 03:17 PM
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With all the junk in orbit, it may not be long before the Earth will look like it has rings like Saturn.

Re: Possible Head-On Satellite Collision - 5:39 pm Central over USA [Re: Blue Moon] #13420071 01/29/20 03:20 PM
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Yikes

This will be interesting.


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Re: Possible Head-On Satellite Collision - 5:39 pm Central over USA [Re: Duck_Hunter] #13420090 01/29/20 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Duck_Hunter
Yikes

This will be interesting.

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Re: Possible Head-On Satellite Collision - 5:39 pm Central over USA [Re: Blue Moon] #13420096 01/29/20 03:43 PM
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Yeppers...

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Re: Possible Head-On Satellite Collision - 5:39 pm Central over USA [Re: Blue Moon] #13420101 01/29/20 03:45 PM
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Are there betting odds?

Re: Possible Head-On Satellite Collision - 5:39 pm Central over USA [Re: Blue Moon] #13420128 01/29/20 04:02 PM
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Another Elon Musk business opportunity in the making. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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Re: Possible Head-On Satellite Collision - 5:39 pm Central over USA [Re: TR176] #13420132 01/29/20 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TR176
Are there betting odds?

I don't bet but from a statistical standpoint a few days ago it was 1-in-100, as they get closer, last time I checked this morning LeoLabs had the chances at 1-in-1000. They are expecting a near miss with only 13 to 87 meters separation. In space terms, that's very close. The data sets they are using for modeling are very good but not good enough to pinpoint the intersection.

There is apparently no danger for any ground impact. Just a danger to what is in space and what's to come.

Re: Possible Head-On Satellite Collision - 5:39 pm Central over USA [Re: T Bird] #13420137 01/29/20 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by T Bird
Another Elon Musk business opportunity in the making. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Dead Satellite Recovery and Removal LLC

For sure. Also LeoLabs (LEO=Low Earth Orbit) is a startup of wicked smart guys that saw the opportunity to monitor what is going on in low earth orbit. SpaceX and all the other companies are keeping them busy and flush with cash.

Re: Possible Head-On Satellite Collision - 5:39 pm Central over USA [Re: Blue Moon] #13420144 01/29/20 04:13 PM
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Heck, lets just send up the space shuttle and have them grab one of them then go after the other one. Oh, we can't since we got out of the shuttle business and depend on others to take care of stuff like this.

Re: Possible Head-On Satellite Collision - 5:39 pm Central over USA [Re: Blue Moon] #13420152 01/29/20 04:21 PM
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Starlink just sent a missile into space this morning saying they are launching 60 internet satellites in space for high speed internet world wide . The weather channel showed the launch this morning . NASA has already said they cannot monitor all the space junk in space now but they do know that even the ISS has been effected in the past and has had some close calls ! The right junk striking the wrong place on the ISS can take the whole Space Station down and kill all aboard .

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Re: Possible Head-On Satellite Collision - 5:39 pm Central over USA [Re: RonL] #13420270 01/29/20 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RonL
Starlink just sent a missile into space this morning saying they are launching 60 internet satellites in space for high speed internet world wide . The weather channel showed the launch this morning . NASA has already said they cannot monitor all the space junk in space now but they do know that even the ISS has been effected in the past and has had some close calls ! The right junk striking the wrong place on the ISS can take the whole Space Station down and kill all aboard .



SpaceX is shooting to have 12,000 Starlink satellites in orbit by the mid to late 2020's. Its going to begin to get a bit crowded up there.

Re: Possible Head-On Satellite Collision - 5:39 pm Central over USA [Re: Blue Moon] #13420395 01/29/20 07:40 PM
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Update - In the last few hours, LeoLabs has increased the probability impact from 1 in 1000, to 1 in 100, and now to 1 in 20 based on new data.

The GSSR decommissioned US spy satellite appears to be on a path that will pass directly above the IRAS satellite. The GSSR passing directly above has an 18 meter boom designed to point down toward earth. It’s unclear if the GSSR is stable or spinning. While LeoLabs still believes it will be a very near miss, if the GSSR is stable with the boom pointing downward, it greatly increases the chances of impact.

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Should the Chicken Littles of the World be worried?

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