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Re: MLF makes off with another championship tournament purse [Re: the skipper] #13418206 01/27/20 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by the skipper
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The Redcrest for this season's points leaders will be in early 2021. MLF added the $750k Heavy Hitters to the 2020 schedule. There are 8 regular Stages and the Heavy Hitters in May at Kissimmee making a total of 9.
No lack of championship$$ as OP said. No need to panic

That's what Ike said. "No championship to qualify for". Maybe your right and the heavy hitters deal will take its place but he plainly says that redcrest is on hold for now. He doesnt say anything about the money so who knows on that deal but kn reality they aren't running away with the anglers money even if that happens. It's not the anglers money to begin with. Now, I dont think that's what's happening but its interesting none the less. Just to me it appears things aren't as good as they seem to be putting out. Maybe they are and we just cant tell


If it’s not the anglers money, then who’s money is it? After all, it’s the anglers that bring in the advertising and sponsorship revenue. That’s kinda like saying that MLFLW didn’t run off with the purse for the Forrest Wood Cup - all those anglers who qualified for it paid membership fees, entry fees, and attracted sponsors, etc ... in order to qualify... but at end of the season someone ran away with the purse monies for that event... how could it not be the anglers money, they are what brings in the revenue?

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Re: MLF makes off with another championship tournament purse [Re: machoblanco61] #13418207 01/27/20 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by machoblanco61
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Originally Posted by machoblanco61
The Redcrest will be in early 2021. MLF added the $750k Heavy Hitters to the 2020 schedule. No lack of championship$$ as OP said. No need to panic


The original announcement did not allude to that the Heavy Hitters tournament would be in replace of the RedCrest Championship. Contrarily, it was promoted as being in addition to the normal schedule.

[ December 3, 2019 (Tulsa, Okla.) – Major League Fishing announces an original tournament, “Heavy Hitters,” on the Kissimmee Chain of Lakes in Kissimmee, Florida, May 16-20, 2020 featuring nearly three-quarters of a million dollars in event payouts. This special event, the first of its kind, extends the Bass Pro Tour to nine events. ]

Sounds like MLF is making off with another championship tournament purse to me and someone is pocketing the money that was ultimately destined for the anglers who qualified.


Heavy Hitters replaces NOTHING, it's an ADDITIONAL BIG MONEY event. MLF is moving their Bass Pro Tour Championship a.k.a. Redcrest to the 1st Quarter of each following year just like The Classic. Nothing was taken away. It was added visa vie the Heavy Hitters inside the same calendar year. There a lot of $$ for the BPT Pros and no entry fees! Wow!
….and B.A.S.S. and FLW are good too. They, B.A.S.S. & FLW are giving the newbies a place to make a name for themselves so they can grow up to be big names like the pros on The BPT! Isn't that nice! It's Rainbows, Unicorns and Scoretrackers for 2020! Yayyyy!!!


machoblanco61 you sure are in the know of a lot of the details ..

Re: MLF makes off with another championship tournament purse [Re: Big O Florida] #13418208 01/27/20 11:32 PM
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Randy Howell one of the Pros at Bass Pro Tour is quoted in Western Bass about the Pros voting to move the Redcrest to the following spring each year. That's something that B.A.S.S. doesn't do yet, you know, let the guys who "pay" them to play actually have a say in how things are run and that's a shame, don't you think? But, when the guys who are newbies now in that league and in the BPT qualifying league a.k.a. FLW Pro Circuit get to the Bass Pro Tour, then they will have that privilege. That's a nice thought isn't it? The players actually having a say....That's nice of them isn't it?(the MLF folks that is)

Re: MLF makes off with another championship tournament purse [Re: Big O Florida] #13418209 01/27/20 11:33 PM
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You are bordering on psychotic and narcissistic. You may have it out for MLF but I’m starting to worry for the fisherman’s safety. You’re the type to show up and do something crazy at one of their events. I for one wish the mods here would remove you.

Re: MLF makes off with another championship tournament purse [Re: LeonSulak] #13418211 01/27/20 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by LeonSulak
Is it time for a MLF sub forum?


How about just a Big O sub forum?

Re: MLF makes off with another championship tournament purse [Re: Big O Florida] #13418212 01/27/20 11:35 PM
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Re: MLF makes off with another championship tournament purse [Re: LeonSulak] #13418214 01/27/20 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by LeonSulak
Is it time for a MLF sub forum?


PLEASE JESUS!!!!

Is suggested the same few months ago...it’s getting to be a virus for this forum, which is usually pretty good.
Then those two start up on the MLF BS and it quickly becomes an a$$ whippin

Re: MLF makes off with another championship tournament purse [Re: machoblanco61] #13418216 01/27/20 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by machoblanco61
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Originally Posted by machoblanco61
The Redcrest will be in early 2021. MLF added the $750k Heavy Hitters to the 2020 schedule. No lack of championship$$ as OP said. No need to panic


The original announcement did not allude to that the Heavy Hitters tournament would be in replace of the RedCrest Championship. Contrarily, it was promoted as being in addition to the normal schedule.

[ December 3, 2019 (Tulsa, Okla.) – Major League Fishing announces an original tournament, “Heavy Hitters,” on the Kissimmee Chain of Lakes in Kissimmee, Florida, May 16-20, 2020 featuring nearly three-quarters of a million dollars in event payouts. This special event, the first of its kind, extends the Bass Pro Tour to nine events. ]

Sounds like MLF is making off with another championship tournament purse to me and someone is pocketing the money that was ultimately destined for the anglers who qualified.


Heavy Hitters replaces NOTHING, it's an ADDITIONAL BIG MONEY event. MLF is moving their Bass Pro Tour Championship a.k.a. Redcrest to the 1st Quarter of each following year just like The Classic. Nothing was taken away. It was added visa vie the Heavy Hitters inside the same calendar year. There a lot of $$ for the BPT Pros and no entry fees! Wow!
….and B.A.S.S. and FLW are good too. They, B.A.S.S. & FLW are giving the newbies a place to make a name for themselves so they can grow up to be big names like the pros on The BPT! Isn't that nice! It's Rainbows, Unicorns and Scoretrackers for 2020! Yayyyy!!!


And who are you to make that pronouncement? You bring nothing with that statement to lend credibility to it. If what you said was so, then MLF would have put out a statement indicating the schedule and timing change, but on the other hand you have one of the owner/anglers making statement that there is no championship to fish for and it relieves some of the pressure on him to produce. When there is a contradiction like that, guess who wins the credibility award? It’s surely not you... By the looks of it, this appears to be another championship purse being highjacked by a less than ethical tournament organizer. This will be the 2nd instance of take the money and run deals... how many more will the angler community tolerate?

Re: MLF makes off with another championship tournament purse [Re: Big O Florida] #13418219 01/27/20 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Big O Florida
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Originally Posted by machoblanco61
The Redcrest for this season's points leaders will be in early 2021. MLF added the $750k Heavy Hitters to the 2020 schedule. There are 8 regular Stages and the Heavy Hitters in May at Kissimmee making a total of 9.
No lack of championship$$ as OP said. No need to panic

That's what Ike said. "No championship to qualify for". Maybe your right and the heavy hitters deal will take its place but he plainly says that redcrest is on hold for now. He doesnt say anything about the money so who knows on that deal but kn reality they aren't running away with the anglers money even if that happens. It's not the anglers money to begin with. Now, I dont think that's what's happening but its interesting none the less. Just to me it appears things aren't as good as they seem to be putting out. Maybe they are and we just cant tell


If it’s not the anglers money, then who’s money is it? After all, it’s the anglers that bring in the advertising and sponsorship revenue. That’s kinda like saying that MLFLW didn’t run off with the purse for the Forrest Wood Cup - all those anglers who qualified for it paid membership fees, entry fees, and attracted sponsors, etc ... in order to qualify... but at end of the season someone ran away with the purse monies for that event... how could it not be the anglers money, they are what brings in the revenue?

With no entry fees, none of it is the anglers money until the owners give it to them. But I see what your saying. I'm guessing since this is getting stirred up we will see an announcement soon from MLF but I never saw the announcement that FLW wasnt doing mlf format the final day so who knows

Re: MLF makes off with another championship tournament purse [Re: machoblanco61] #13418232 01/27/20 11:49 PM
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https://storage.westernbass.com/mag_wb/wb_mag_winter_2020/page70/index.html

Randy Howell one of the Pros at Bass Pro Tour is quoted in Western Bass about the Pros voting to move the Redcrest to the following spring each year. That's something that B.A.S.S. doesn't do yet, you know, let the guys who "pay" them to play actually have a say in how things are run and that's a shame, don't you think? But, when the guys who are newbies now in that league and in the BPT qualifying league a.k.a. FLW Pro Circuit get to the Bass Pro Tour, then they will have that privilege. That's a nice thought isn't it? The players actually having a say....That's nice of them isn't it?(the MLF folks that is)

Maybe, but 58 of them voted to go to a 10 fish limit, but got "overruled"

Re: MLF makes off with another championship tournament purse [Re: Big O Florida] #13418237 01/27/20 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Big O Florida
Originally Posted by machoblanco61


Heavy Hitters replaces NOTHING, it's an ADDITIONAL BIG MONEY event. MLF is moving their Bass Pro Tour Championship a.k.a. Redcrest to the 1st Quarter of each following year just like The Classic. Nothing was taken away. It was added visa vie the Heavy Hitters inside the same calendar year. There a lot of $$ for the BPT Pros and no entry fees! Wow!
….and B.A.S.S. and FLW are good too. They, B.A.S.S. & FLW are giving the newbies a place to make a name for themselves so they can grow up to be big names like the pros on The BPT! Isn't that nice! It's Rainbows, Unicorns and Scoretrackers for 2020! Yayyyy!!!


And who are you to make that pronouncement? You bring nothing with that statement to lend credibility to it. If what you said was so, then MLF would have put out a statement indicating the schedule and timing change, but on the other hand you have one of the owner/anglers making statement that there is no championship to fish for and it relieves some of the pressure on him to produce. When there is a contradiction like that, guess who wins the credibility award? It’s surely not you... By the looks of it, this appears to be another championship purse being highjacked by a less than ethical tournament organizer. This will be the 2nd instance of take the money and run deals... how many more will the angler community tolerate?


Ha what a question who are you and credibility do you bring besides a giant chip on your shoulder for MLF?

Re: MLF makes off with another championship tournament purse [Re: rbspots] #13418241 01/27/20 11:56 PM
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https://storage.westernbass.com/mag_wb/wb_mag_winter_2020/page70/index.html

Randy Howell one of the Pros at Bass Pro Tour is quoted in Western Bass about the Pros voting to move the Redcrest to the following spring each year. That's something that B.A.S.S. doesn't do yet, you know, let the guys who "pay" them to play actually have a say in how things are run and that's a shame, don't you think? But, when the guys who are newbies now in that league and in the BPT qualifying league a.k.a. FLW Pro Circuit get to the Bass Pro Tour, then they will have that privilege. That's a nice thought isn't it? The players actually having a say....That's nice of them isn't it?(the MLF folks that is)

Maybe, but 58 of them voted to go to a 10 fish limit, but got "overruled"


That’s because all those anglers who flocked over there like lemmings being led off a cliff, they were sold a bill of goods. The ones that bought a bigger bag of sh!t were the ones who are considered owner/anglers... they were promised they would be able to have a say in the direction of the league... that all was an illusion. The only one who has any say of significance is the majority owner... look how beloved he is in the other sporting ventures he’s involved with... that’s MLF’s future and there is a very clear track record that substantiates that fate. Call it a prophecy!

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Originally Posted by Big O Florida
Originally Posted by the skipper
Originally Posted by machoblanco61
The Redcrest for this season's points leaders will be in early 2021. MLF added the $750k Heavy Hitters to the 2020 schedule. There are 8 regular Stages and the Heavy Hitters in May at Kissimmee making a total of 9.
No lack of championship$$ as OP said. No need to panic

That's what Ike said. "No championship to qualify for". Maybe your right and the heavy hitters deal will take its place but he plainly says that redcrest is on hold for now. He doesnt say anything about the money so who knows on that deal but kn reality they aren't running away with the anglers money even if that happens. It's not the anglers money to begin with. Now, I dont think that's what's happening but its interesting none the less. Just to me it appears things aren't as good as they seem to be putting out. Maybe they are and we just cant tell


If it’s not the anglers money, then who’s money is it? After all, it’s the anglers that bring in the advertising and sponsorship revenue. That’s kinda like saying that MLFLW didn’t run off with the purse for the Forrest Wood Cup - all those anglers who qualified for it paid membership fees, entry fees, and attracted sponsors, etc ... in order to qualify... [color:#3366FF]but at end of the season someone ran away with the purse monies for that event... how could it not be the anglers money, they are what brings in the revenue?[/color]


Unfortunately, FLW ceased to exist as a stand alone corporation once the intellectual property and naming rights were transferred to Major League Fishing. The prior entity's owner at the time of his death was in debt beyond the ability of his assets to pay. The net loss or lack of net worth is still in "lawyerland", but initial reports from The Star Tribune Minneapolis was approximately - $110MM. It could actually be more.
FLW as a significant holding of the deceased owners assets could have been on the hook to produce cash to the Jacob's estate's creditors, but there was no cash on hand other than operating capital and that was underwater at the time of Jacobs death. In a nutshell, FLW by the end of the 2019 season was approaching collapse. The only thing of value was the brand's identity. It's not like they manufactured anything other than publishing and digital content. FLW's very large tournament organization was the cash cow that had been milked. The only way to save the brand was to orchestrate a buy out without the "strings" of Jacob's estate (liabilities) and sell the intellectual property at an agreed upon price. (thus the hold up in getting the deal to close) MLF was not going to pay too much, nor should they have.
As for the FLW Cup dying, that sinking ship sailed and sunk in the harbor before the buyout. It was unfortunate, but some businesses collapse and some don't. I can assure you, the new ownership group is financially sound and savvy. They will make sure it makes a profit. Its still a business and a new one at that, under the current structure. It does have an established brand with the FLW marquee surviving. Based on initial numbers, FLW is selling entries at all 3 levels at the best pace in years.

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Heavy Hitters replaces NOTHING, it's an ADDITIONAL BIG MONEY event. MLF is moving their Bass Pro Tour Championship a.k.a. Redcrest to the 1st Quarter of each following year just like The Classic. Nothing was taken away. It was added visa vie the Heavy Hitters inside the same calendar year. There a lot of $$ for the BPT Pros and no entry fees! Wow!
….and B.A.S.S. and FLW are good too. They, B.A.S.S. & FLW are giving the newbies a place to make a name for themselves so they can grow up to be big names like the pros on The BPT! Isn't that nice! It's Rainbows, Unicorns and Scoretrackers for 2020! Yayyyy!!!


And who are you to make that pronouncement? You bring nothing with that statement to lend credibility to it. If what you said was so, then MLF would have put out a statement indicating the schedule and timing change, but on the other hand you have one of the owner/anglers making statement that there is no championship to fish for and it relieves some of the pressure on him to produce. When there is a contradiction like that, guess who wins the credibility award? It’s surely not you... By the looks of it, this appears to be another championship purse being highjacked by a less than ethical tournament organizer. This will be the 2nd instance of take the money and run deals... how many more will the angler community tolerate?


Ha what a question who are you and credibility do you bring besides a giant chip on your shoulder for MLF?


I brought you the words spoken by one of the owner/anglers of MLF - do you dispute what he said? You act as if I am making this up. Did you watch the video and hear what he said? The other component is also verifiable, the Forrest Wood Cup was taken away from all the anglers who qualified for it and the money that went with it.. that’s indisputable and indefensible. You may not like my message, but it’s not being made up out of thin air.

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Heavy Hitters replaces NOTHING, it's an ADDITIONAL BIG MONEY event. MLF is moving their Bass Pro Tour Championship a.k.a. Redcrest to the 1st Quarter of each following year just like The Classic. Nothing was taken away. It was added visa vie the Heavy Hitters inside the same calendar year. There a lot of $$ for the BPT Pros and no entry fees! Wow!
….and B.A.S.S. and FLW are good too. They, B.A.S.S. & FLW are giving the newbies a place to make a name for themselves so they can grow up to be big names like the pros on The BPT! Isn't that nice! It's Rainbows, Unicorns and Scoretrackers for 2020! Yayyyy!!!


And who are you to make that pronouncement? You bring nothing with that statement to lend credibility to it. If what you said was so, then MLF would have put out a statement indicating the schedule and timing change, but on the other hand you have one of the owner/anglers making statement that there is no championship to fish for and it relieves some of the pressure on him to produce. When there is a contradiction like that, guess who wins the credibility award? It’s surely not you... By the looks of it, this appears to be another championship purse being highjacked by a less than ethical tournament organizer. This will be the 2nd instance of take the money and run deals... how many more will the angler community tolerate?


Ha what a question who are you and credibility do you bring besides a giant chip on your shoulder for MLF?


I brought you the words spoken by one of the owner/anglers of MLF - do you dispute what he said? You act as if I am making this up. Did you watch the video and hear what he said? The other component is also verifiable, the Forrest Wood Cup was taken away from all the anglers who qualified for it and the money that went with it.. that’s indisputable and indefensible. You may not like my message, but it’s not being made up out of thin air.


1. Redcrest Spring 2021 - Not announced cause it's still being worked on (Howell let it slip so it's out there)

2. How ya know about a 10 fish limit? Interesting you'd know about that. Nonetheless, if the anglers want it and the sponsors like it, it will happen. It just cannot happen by flicking a switch...too many moving parts

3. FLW got thrown a life preserver by MLF and a lot of weekenders had a place to go this weekend because of it.

4. Pick your best 20 out of BASS & FLW - Put em' up against the pick of BPT's 20....who ya betting on ? …..any format

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