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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: soggybottom]
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02/20/18 05:50 PM
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steveiam
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people with ideas other than mine scare me, and I have to attack them to keep from having to question or reevaluate my position on something that I have placed so much of my beliefs in!! Insert mirror here-
What has happed to you does not define who you are-
HOW you react to what happens to you DOES!
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: donothin]
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02/20/18 05:55 PM
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Wait until it's your kids or grandkids and let's see if your opinion changes.
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: steveiam]
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02/20/18 05:58 PM
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soggybottom
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people with ideas other than mine scare me, and I have to attack them to keep from having to question or reevaluate my position on something that I have placed so much of my beliefs in!! Insert mirror here- I own lots of guns. I just dont place any self worth in them and Im not scared that the boogy man is gonna come take them.
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: soggybottom]
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02/20/18 06:01 PM
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John175☮
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Why do I need to reevaluate my beliefs? This was a law enforcement failure. Take away that scary gun and he would have carried glocks. Does your proposed solution cover glocks? If you don't like guns then don't buy one...isn't that the liberal mantra on abortions? people with ideas other than mine scare me, and I have to attack them to keep from having to question or reevaluate my position on something that I have placed so much of my beliefs in!!
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: donothin]
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02/20/18 06:04 PM
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Notaguide
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Round and round we go where we stop...
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: donothin]
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02/20/18 06:20 PM
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jeffnsa
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If we could save just one life we should take away every ones guns, cars, lighters, knives, hammers, and everything else that kills more people than a semi auto rifle. Cowards are hard to stop when they go on a killing spree.
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: jeffnsa]
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02/20/18 06:22 PM
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Bigbob_FTW
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If we could save just one life we should take away every ones guns, cars, lighters, knives, hammers, and everything else that kills more people than a semi auto rifle. Cowards are hard to stop when they go on a killing spree. ending abortion would do wonders for saving the children. just saying...
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: John175☮]
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02/20/18 06:33 PM
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soggybottom
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Why do I need to reevaluate my beliefs? This was a law enforcement failure. Take away that scary gun and he would have carried glocks. Does your proposed solution cover glocks? If you don't like guns then don't buy one...isn't that the liberal mantra on abortions? people with ideas other than mine scare me, and I have to attack them to keep from having to question or reevaluate my position on something that I have placed so much of my beliefs in!! if people went around shooting pregnant women in the uterus you would have a point there.
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: soggybottom]
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02/20/18 06:37 PM
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I'm not sure why people think Article 2 of the constitution written in 1790 is still relevant in the real world of today. It clouds the discussion of how to address the problem as for many it simply comes back to that. Interestingly it has been modified so that it does not include many things like bombs, artillery, etc. I can see why people will argue for guns for protection, but not defending themselves against the military. How can we have an honest discussion if you say the second amendment is irrelevant? Just like your original post in this thread, youre starting off by being insulting and saying the second amendment is irrelevant. Then all of the bill of rights must be irrelevant. The Supreme Court has upheld the second amendment many times. Several of them in the last fifteen years. how is there a conversation when the only answer is "pry my AR from my cold dead hand"? thats what makes people take gun control to the extreme. No one said anything about banning all guns, but thats where it immediately goes, so the other side is forced to bring up nuclear alternatives like the changing the 2nd amend. No one is forcing you to do anything. Youre making the argument other people should be forced to do things. Do you not see that? Youre choosing to make a nuclear argument just like he is choosing to say the second amendment is irrelevant. He chose to make it seem like everyone agrees there should be a mental evaluation in order to purchase a gun. Banning ARs will not solve the problem. It is not the object. 32 innocent people murdered at Virginia Tech with handguns. Rifles are not responsible for a very large percentage of deaths. This guy shouldve been stopped before he ever enetered that school, but we saw how that went yesterday when it was brought up. Look, I understand that we fundamentally disagree rights are predicated on the weakest links of society. I understand you dont care if ARs are banned, and you own many guns. Saying it seems most agree the stability of potential firearm buyers should be evaluated is just not true and not the start of a productive conversation (the OP said this, not you). Saying the second amendment is irrelevant is not the start of a productive conversation (the OP said this, not you). And there are plenty of people calling for a total ban on all guns and that guns should be confiscated, its just not being said in this thread. But people are saying it and have been for years.
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: donothin]
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02/20/18 06:44 PM
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Emit R Detsaw
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It's been a few years, think it was either following the Columbine shooting or the Sandy Hook one, but I offered a solution to these types of shootings that doesn't require any additional Gun Control Laws or Mental Health Assessments. Nudity! Easy to see a crazed gunman coming. 
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: donothin]
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02/20/18 06:53 PM
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soggybottom
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1. never mentioned any gun control at all. the only option that would have any effect is ammo control and not all ammo. In 5-10 yrs it would be hard to get certain rounds. I am not talking about TAKING anything. Note, I thought Obama was gonna do that. 2. no option will stop EVERYTHING, but that should not be the litmus test for every idea. NOTHING works 100%. I am suggesting slowing it down. 3. restricting ammo does not violate the 2nd. You would have that precious AR and enough ammo to defend yourself at least if you already have a good stock of ammo. 4. yes handguns can be used, but unless someone is pretty skilled like the guy in VA you stand a much better chance.
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: elcoyote, esq.]
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02/20/18 06:59 PM
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RayBob
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Mental evaluations are discriminatory against women. This is the most awesome thing Ive ever read. I concur. I'm getting a few bumper stickers made with it. I will buy a dozen of them from you. How's this look? 
Advice? Wise men don't need it. Fools won't heed it !
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: donothin]
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02/20/18 07:01 PM
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Notaguide
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SDTZ7iX4vTQThis is what complete and total free speech gets us. Unfortunately you cant attack free speech without being labeled a complete lunatic. Its what we as a people allow. Or so we are told.
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: soggybottom]
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02/20/18 07:15 PM
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Duck_Hunter
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1. never mentioned any gun control at all. the only option that would have any effect is ammo control and not all ammo. In 5-10 yrs it would be hard to get certain rounds. I am not talking about TAKING anything. Note, I thought Obama was gonna do that. 2. no option will stop EVERYTHING, but that should not be the litmus test for every idea. NOTHING works 100%. I am suggesting slowing it down. 3. restricting ammo does not violate the 2nd. You would have that precious AR and enough ammo to defend yourself at least if you already have a good stock of ammo. 4. yes handguns can be used, but unless someone is pretty skilled like the guy in VA you stand a much better chance.
Thank you for outlining your thoughts. 1) What calibers do you think need to be controlled? Rifle rounds only? Just .223/5.56? There are other types of guns that shoot .223 besides ARs, right? Youre talking about restricting the ammunition, which is a backdoor way of banning guns, so not taking anything is semantics. Also, I dont appreciate the Obama quip. I dont see the need for it. 2) I agree that nothing will stop 100% of it, even confiscating guns. Something else will be used. Its really not hard to build a bomb, according to some people, and its certainly not difficult to turn your car into a murder weapon and mowing people down while they walk down the street. But slowing mass shootings down, is what you mean, right? They are still relatively rare, thankfully. I disagre that more gun laws are needed to slow down mass shootings. 3) restricting ammo is a back door way to limiting firearm rights. It is, and you continuing to say its not is semantics. 4) was he skilled? He chained the doors together in a large academic building and went classroom to classroom killing as many people as he could. He walked up to them and shot the in the head. No one could get in or out of the building. There wasnt much skill involved. Also, he showed signs of being mental unstable and should have been evaluated long before he killed 32. One of his professors showed administrators some of his writing and nothing was done. His roommate and RA also knew he was crazy. He should have been expelled.
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase
[Re: Duck_Hunter]
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02/20/18 07:29 PM
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soggybottom
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1. never mentioned any gun control at all. the only option that would have any effect is ammo control and not all ammo. In 5-10 yrs it would be hard to get certain rounds. I am not talking about TAKING anything. Note, I thought Obama was gonna do that. 2. no option will stop EVERYTHING, but that should not be the litmus test for every idea. NOTHING works 100%. I am suggesting slowing it down. 3. restricting ammo does not violate the 2nd. You would have that precious AR and enough ammo to defend yourself at least if you already have a good stock of ammo. 4. yes handguns can be used, but unless someone is pretty skilled like the guy in VA you stand a much better chance.
Thank you for outlining your thoughts. 1) What calibers do you think need to be controlled? Rifle rounds only? Just .223/5.56? There are other types of guns that shoot .223 besides ARs, right? Youre talking about restricting the ammunition, which is a backdoor way of banning guns, so not taking anything is semantics. Also, I dont appreciate the Obama quip. I dont see the need for it. 2) I agree that nothing will stop 100% of it, even confiscating guns. Something else will be used. Its really not hard to build a bomb, according to some people, and its certainly not difficult to turn your car into a murder weapon and mowing people down while they walk down the street. But slowing mass shootings down, is what you mean, right? They are still relatively rare, thankfully. I disagre that more gun laws are needed to slow down mass shootings. 3) restricting ammo is a back door way to limiting firearm rights. It is, and you continuing to say its not is semantics. 4) was he skilled? He chained the doors together in a large academic building and went classroom to classroom killing as many people as he could. He walked up to them and shot the in the head. No one could get in or out of the building. There wasnt much skill involved. Also, he showed signs of being mental unstable and should have been evaluated long before he killed 32. One of his professors showed administrators some of his writing and nothing was done. His roommate and RA also knew he was crazy. He should have been expelled. yes the ammo is a backdoor way to slow it down. Nearly every mass shooting in the last 10 years has used an AR. fact. 223 5.56 .308 maybe a few more. again if you are not going to allow ANY talk of ANY type of restriction to these weapons then yes they will find a way to force something on you. Thats on you. bend dont break. I saw a doc on that VA guy and he was crazy and had practiced. catching crazy people is really hard. You cant arrest someone for something they havent done yet. It hasnt worked yet.
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