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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase [Re: Davedave] #12635939 02/19/18 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted By: Davedave
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And we enter the world of full blown stupid

I guess it all depends on where you draw the line. I thought the entrance was quite a ways back.


I believe it was back on page 2.


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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase [Re: Gusick] #12635942 02/19/18 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: Gusick
I think I could pass a mental evaluation.



I'm not so sure of that . . . I've read quite a few of your posts.


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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase [Re: Bigbob_FTW] #12635945 02/19/18 09:40 PM
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And we enter the world of full blown stupid

I guess it all depends on where you draw the line. I thought the entrance was quite a ways back.


I believe it was back on page 2.


Uhhhhh . . . the OP?


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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase [Re: Gusick] #12635964 02/19/18 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted By: Gusick
I think I could pass a mental evaluation.

Im thinking about 40% would somehow squeak by. The rest just cant hide the crazy.

Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase [Re: Davedave] #12635981 02/19/18 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted By: Davedave
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I think I could pass a mental evaluation.

Im thinking about 40% would somehow squeak by. The rest just cant hide the crazy.


If it's a multiple choice test done on a scantron I'm feeling pretty good about my chances. If I have to look and talk about ink blobs, not so much.


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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase [Re: donothin] #12635986 02/19/18 09:55 PM
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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase [Re: donothin] #12635987 02/19/18 09:55 PM
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Mental evaluations are discriminatory against women.

Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase [Re: donothin] #12636017 02/19/18 10:06 PM
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The same arguments are brought up every time something bad happens. Bad things are always going to happen there's no stopping it. You take away guns they'll find something else look at what Mcveigh did with fertilizer. You can't realistically do a proper mental health screening at the time of the purchase, it's just not feasible. There are records of what someone has been diagnosed with and that can be linked to their ATF so it pops up when their background is being run sounds about like a happy medium but I won't even try to get into the what "disorders or illnesses" are classified to prevent someone from owning or purchasing a firearm. Like someone said earlier they can buy a firearm but years down the road something happens they can still use their legally purchased firearm in a heinous attack against civilians so the screening won't always work.

Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase [Re: Gusick] #12636019 02/19/18 10:06 PM
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Mental evaluations are discriminatory against women.


This is the most awesome thing Ive ever read.


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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase [Re: elcoyote, esq.] #12636025 02/19/18 10:08 PM
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Mental evaluations are discriminatory against women.


This is the most awesome thing Ive ever read.


I concur. I'm getting a few bumper stickers made with it.


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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase [Re: RayBob] #12636068 02/19/18 10:23 PM
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Mental evaluations are discriminatory against women.


This is the most awesome thing Ive ever read.


I concur. I'm getting a few bumper stickers made with it.


I will buy a dozen of them from you.


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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase [Re: Scagnetti] #12636873 02/20/18 09:31 AM
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The United States has MORE mental health professionals, MORE sources to assist the mentally disabled, MORE protocols in place to identify people with mental health problems, spend MORE money on treating mental health issues, THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY similar to us.

Yet, those other countries don't have any where near the number of mass shootings that the United States does.

So if you think mental health is the issue, have at it.



Look up the Beslan School Siege in Russia. These people cannot have magazines over 10 rounds. They have to register their weapons and renew their weapons license every 5 years. Their first 5 year license is only good for shotguns, not rifles. They also have to take classes and examinations before getting this license. Men carrying AK47's with outlawed 30 round mags and 75 round drum mags held ~1,200 people hostage in a school for 3 days. ~320 were killed. It may not be a mental health issue but it isn't a "scary black gun with a super duper high capacity bullet holder" problem either. The worst mass murder in the United States killed 2,996 people. The weapon was a couple of planes. This kid could have easily killed 17 people with a car. The worst shooting in the U.S. was the Vegas shooting that killed 58. The guy could've killed many more than 58 by driving his pickup through the crowd at a high rate of speed. Maybe these people aren't "clinically mental", but they have some serious problems in the head and that is our problem. And I think the reason we spend more money on mental health than any other country is because we are the only country that labels irresponsible, disrespectful little chit that wasn't raised right a mental health disorder.

Furthermore, a ban on AR-style weapons will do no good. They are so easy to build, in fact many high school shop classes have all of the needed equipment to build one. If you think criminals and crazy school-shooters won't figure that out quickly I don't know what to tell you.

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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase [Re: Icepick] #12636874 02/20/18 09:49 AM
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Hopeless


this.

For my generation of baby boomers, yes. Nothing will be fixed.
I believe solutions will come from millennials and those who will have the right to vote in the next decade.


THat is disturbing

Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase [Re: ReelBusy] #12636906 02/20/18 11:33 AM
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Hopeless


this.

For my generation of baby boomers, yes. Nothing will be fixed.
I believe solutions will come from millennials and those who will have the right to vote in the next decade.


THat is disturbing


They've been going for banning the gun since the hippie heydays of the 60's and the same crowd is leading the charge now. It's always on the hope the next generation will ban them. These are the same people that go after police when they shoot an unarmed citizen but when a citizen shoots others they go after the gun. Consistency from them would be nice but apparently too much to expect.

"On August 1, 1966, after stabbing his mother and wife to death, Charles Whitman, a former Marine sharpshooter, took rifles and other weapons to the observation deck atop the Main Building tower at the University of Texas at Austin, then opened fire on persons indiscriminately on the surrounding campus and streets. Over the next 90 minutes he shot and killed 14 people (including one unborn child) and injured 31 others; while a final victim died in 2001 from the lingering effects of his wounds. The incident ended when police reached Whitman and shot him dead. As of February 2018, the attack is ranked as the eighth-deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting


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Re: Mental evaluation for Gun Purchase [Re: donothin] #12637305 02/20/18 04:14 PM
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I'm not sure why people think Article 2 of the constitution written in 1790 is still relevant in the real world of today. It clouds the discussion of how to address the problem as for many it simply comes back to that. Interestingly it has been modified so that it does not include many things like bombs, artillery, etc. I can see why people will argue for guns for protection, but not defending themselves against the military.

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