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Re: Self driving cars
[Re: Frenzy]
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06/20/17 07:23 PM
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Uncle Zeek
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Re: Self driving cars
[Re: Eddyc01]
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06/20/17 07:28 PM
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FalafelSupreme
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Stupidest idea to ever come about. How will an automated vehicle avoid obstacles in the road including people that may jump out on to the road in front of these cars? What happens if the vehicle malfunctions just as your driving along a cliff on a curve? Anything electronic and mechanical has the possibility of failing at any time. But then there'll be those that argue it could happen in a conventional vehicle. True but you have to think that if someone is in a self driving vehicle they're not going to be paying attention to anything on the road. They'll be sitting back and relying of the vehicle to take them to wherever they want to go. Ban the self driving vehicles now before a monster is created !! There are smarter people than you and I working on it. Currently the technology doesn't allow for complete autonomy and requires a person to hold the wheel or the car will slow down and pull over. Do some research before you knock it, the amount of sensors on those things is ridiculous. The thing is it won't be fully autonomous until they can guarantee 100% safety. Not gonna blame you if you don't trust it, but multiple cameras, radar sensors, lasers, and GPS integration seems a lot more fail-proof than the two eyes we have. Here's an article if you're interested. How do Driverless Cars Work? Side note: there has been an uptick in fatal crashes due to human error/distracted driving. Source: TxDot Crash Statistics 2016
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Re: Self driving cars
[Re: FalafelSupreme]
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06/20/17 07:41 PM
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Eddyc01
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Stupidest idea to ever come about. How will an automated vehicle avoid obstacles in the road including people that may jump out on to the road in front of these cars? What happens if the vehicle malfunctions just as your driving along a cliff on a curve? Anything electronic and mechanical has the possibility of failing at any time. But then there'll be those that argue it could happen in a conventional vehicle. True but you have to think that if someone is in a self driving vehicle they're not going to be paying attention to anything on the road. They'll be sitting back and relying of the vehicle to take them to wherever they want to go. Ban the self driving vehicles now before a monster is created !! There are smarter people than you and I working on it. Currently the technology doesn't allow for complete autonomy and requires a person to hold the wheel or the car will slow down and pull over. Do some research before you knock it, the amount of sensors on those things is ridiculous. The thing is it won't be fully autonomous until they can guarantee 100% safety. Not gonna blame you if you don't trust it, but multiple cameras, radar sensors, lasers, and GPS integration seems a lot more fail-proof than the two eyes we have. Here's an article if you're interested. How do Driverless Cars Work? Side note: there has been an uptick in fatal crashes due to human error/distracted driving. Source: TxDot Crash Statistics 2016 What I'm getting at is the technology that's being created to help make driving safer is creating a false sense of safety to drivers and leading to more stupid drivers on the road. You have things such as ABS, traction control, forward collision avoidance, back up cams, lane departure warning, etc. These days people have a false sense of security behind the wheel of a modern vehicle. I see so many people weaving in and out of traffic in a heavy downpour driving 75+ mph figuring the traction control will keep the car on the road and if they have to stop ABS will help stop them. Then there's people that tailgate as if they're drafting in a NASCAR race. I'm open to advancements in technology...
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Re: Self driving cars
[Re: Eddyc01]
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06/20/17 07:45 PM
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FalafelSupreme
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What I'm getting at is the technology that's being created to help make driving safer is creating a false sense of safety to drivers and leading to more stupid drivers on the road. You have things such as ABS, traction control, forward collision avoidance, back up cams, lane departure warning, etc. These days people have a false sense of security behind the wheel of a modern vehicle. I see so many people weaving in and out of traffic in a heavy downpour driving 75+ mph figuring the traction control will keep the car on the road and if they have to stop ABS will help stop them. Then there's people that tailgate as if they're drafting in a NASCAR race. I'm open to advancements in technology...
Definitely understand where you're coming from, I feel like some people are just plain dumb and careless regardless of safety features. Nothing makes me more irritated than almost getting ran off the road.
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Re: Self driving cars
[Re: Uncle Zeek]
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06/20/17 08:07 PM
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AdanV
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Call me what you want, but I would love to see those self-driving cars at a mall parking lot during the Christmas holiday. Oh, that's easy. Have it pull up to the entrance, then program it to drive in a big circuit of the area until you're done shopping. I wonder whether fully automated cars with no human occupants will be on the road soon? When you got thousands inside the mall shopping, and hundreds outside looking to park? Hehe, nah.
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Re: Self driving cars
[Re: Fishin' Nut]
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06/20/17 09:24 PM
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Metal Man
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its a little naive to think driver less cars will be the same as the open roads as the cars with drivers. I mean what are you gonna do when you say take me to the liquor store and the car says NO. The cars will take you where it "thinks" your allowed to go. people praise all these this technology because we are just that rich , meanwhile there's kids still starving to death in the world. IMO , its a pipe dream for the suckers and a wet dream for the corporations and governments. For the guy that posted that there are folks smarter than us building these things, that's quite possibly , but the goal is money. Not your safety or luxury. Then you say its highly dependable because of all the sensors, really, sensors go out all the time and kill the car on the spot in vehicles daily. Then we complain about global warming and never talk about electromagnetic pollution. Some claim your cell phone can cause enough radiation to hurt you , now get in some thing that is 1000Xs the size of that cell phone. How else will we be taxed when there are no more traffic tickets. Plus this new technology is way behind the curve the middle easterners are creating drones to move people around, well flying drones , not land drones.
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Re: Self driving cars
[Re: Fishin' Nut]
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06/20/17 09:33 PM
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CCTX
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The technology is close under ideal driving conditions; but they are a long way off when considering the effect of darkness, heavy fog and heavy rain on cameras/sensors, etc. Not to mention obstacles moving in from the periphery (deer, rock slide, etc)
The trend of eliminating vehicle inspections as automated cars become a reality is concerning I'd want to make sure all those cameras, sensors, and computers were functioning correctly.
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Re: Self driving cars
[Re: Fishin' Nut]
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06/20/17 09:42 PM
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FalafelSupreme
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I'm sure if TFF was around in the early 1900's people would be saying the same things about airplanes, which by the way, are also mostly self-operating with the exception of landing and take-off (some newer planes can even handle those tasks). Kinda funny how people will get on a plane that flies itself but not a car that drives itself.
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Re: Self driving cars
[Re: Eddyc01]
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06/20/17 09:48 PM
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H.Town_paddler
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Stupidest idea to ever come about. How will an automated vehicle avoid obstacles in the road including people that may jump out on to the road in front of these cars? What happens if the vehicle malfunctions just as your driving along a cliff on a curve? Anything electronic and mechanical has the possibility of failing at any time. But then there'll be those that argue it could happen in a conventional vehicle. True but you have to think that if someone is in a self driving vehicle they're not going to be paying attention to anything on the road. They'll be sitting back and relying of the vehicle to take them to wherever they want to go. Ban the self driving vehicles now before a monster is created !! People fail at driving all the time. They get distracted by cell phones, a hot woman in the car next to you, they have heart attacks, siezures, pass out drunk at the wheel, fall asleep driving through the night. Look on YouTube at the video of the Tesla that noticed an accident was happening ahead and slowed the car down automatically. It's pretty amazing. I personally think it's a long way off but will be here one day. And to answer your question the car can absolutely detect a human jumping out in front of the car.
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Re: Self driving cars
[Re: Fishin' Nut]
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06/20/17 09:49 PM
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Well, yes, but there are much fewer planes in the sky and there's the professionals in the tower monitoring them all on radar making sure they are at different altitudes/ not on a dangerous flight path
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Re: Self driving cars
[Re: Fishin' Nut]
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06/20/17 10:00 PM
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FalafelSupreme
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Fair argument, but like I said, people are always skeptical of new technology until it becomes normalized. I feel like brands would not just roll out some unsafe death trap, because they would have a pr disaster and possibly go under if their car killed someone. Not to mention I can't imagine the regulations they would have to adhere to to legally sell them.
"I'm a rather simple person with a limited talent, and perhaps a limited perspective." - Bill Evans
"I disapprove of what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Evelyn Beatrice Hall
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Re: Self driving cars
[Re: FalafelSupreme]
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06/20/17 10:53 PM
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Eddyc01
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I'm sure if TFF was around in the early 1900's people would be saying the same things about airplanes, which by the way, are also mostly self-operating with the exception of landing and take-off (some newer planes can even handle those tasks). Kinda funny how people will get on a plane that flies itself but not a car that drives itself. Not the same thing. Planes fly with minimum separation distances of a few hundred feet and have TCAS and EGPWS systems to keep the planes from flying into something. Not to mention these systems get regular software updates of any changes. Do you think people are going to update any necessary software on their cars? People don't even check their tire pressures. Oh sorry vehicles now have tire pressure monitoring systems...
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