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Re: QUICK POLL: Is this a problem at public waters you frequent? [Re: winchester44] #9876849 04/02/14 09:22 PM
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Re: QUICK POLL: Is this a problem at public waters you frequent? [Re: winchester44] #9878042 04/03/14 03:37 AM
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I have seen it one time in twenty years up here. As a waterfront resident, I have seen (or heard) several well equipped, bowfishing boats that prowl the lake late at night during the summer months. They always cruise quietly through, I know they are very successful, but its' not evident at public areas.

Re: QUICK POLL: Is this a problem at public waters you frequent? [Re: winchester44] #9878236 04/03/14 08:09 AM
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I fish on average at least 50 times a year, I've seen fish that were shot left at the ramp once in the last two years (1%)

Ive seen beer bottles, bait packages and liver containers left by bank fishermen 100% of the time.

Should we give all bank fishermen a black eye because of a few slobs? Because it seems like thats exactly what you're trying to do with bowfishermen.

Re: QUICK POLL: Is this a problem at public waters you frequent? [Re: bowfishin_steven] #9879956 04/03/14 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted By: bowfishin_steven
I fish on average at least 50 times a year, I've seen fish that were shot left at the ramp once in the last two years (1%)

Ive seen beer bottles, bait packages and liver containers left by bank fishermen 100% of the time.

Should we give all bank fishermen a black eye because of a few slobs? Because it seems like thats exactly what you're trying to do with bowfishermen.


I don't think anyone is arguing that littering is acceptable behavior.

However fish dumping does seem to be big enough problem that the
current majority of posters feel it's an issue worth posting about.
Anyhow, please keep the comments coming

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Re: QUICK POLL: Is this a problem at public waters you frequent? [Re: winchester44] #9880134 04/03/14 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted By: winchester44
Smoked fish is one of my favorites.


Isn't it hard to keep it from falling out of those little papers?


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Re: QUICK POLL: Is this a problem at public waters you frequent? [Re: Bob Landry] #9880430 04/04/14 12:18 AM
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Looks like a good idea.


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Re: QUICK POLL: Is this a problem at public waters you frequent? [Re: winchester44] #9883475 04/05/14 03:42 AM
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Received this from TPW today:

Comment or Question:

Is it legal for any fishermen to leave dead or dying fish taken out of public waters on the ground? Specifically I have witnessed large piles of long nose gar and buffalo on the banks of the Brazos and at a boat ramp on the Brazos. The fish appeared to have been shot with rifle or bow. Is this just littering or is it waste of natural resources? If it is illegal, in the future should I report this and if so to whom?
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This would be a violation under the "waste of fish" clause, which can be found on page 33 of the regulations booklet:

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It is unlawful to leave edible fish or bait fish taken from the public waters of the state to die without the intent to retain the fish for consumption or bait.
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Some anglers would argue that gar and buffalo are "trash" fish, and not edible. But there are people who eat both species; in fact, those fish are sometimes caught and sold by commercial fishermen. So this behavior is technically illegal. As a practical matter, however, it's seldom prosecuted, because:

- A Game Warden would have to catch a person in the act of shooting the fish and leaving them to rot and so many Texans have traditionally thought of gar and buffalo as trash fish


Leaving heaps of dead and dying fish near a public boat ramp is CERTAINLY bad manners, and could be classified as littering and/or creating a public nuisance. If local authorities could figure out who's doing it, charges of that sort might be easier to file.

Here are some places to call when you see this type of violation:
- Operation Game Thief hotline at 800-792-4263 (especially if you see the behavior in progress)
- The county sheriff's office
- The river authority or whoever maintains the boat ramp. This behavior is "polluting" a public use area and making it unpleasant for other visitors. If enough people complain, they might at least put up signs telling these folks to dispose of their carcasses somewhere else.

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Re: QUICK POLL: Is this a problem at public waters you frequent? [Re: winchester44] #9884117 04/05/14 04:09 PM
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This is a good topic....I don't like seeing any kind of dead fish floating along the shore but I see no reason to complain about another sport that happens to be bow fishing for gar. Me personally, I can't stand them and don't know what if any benefit they provide to our fisheries. I know they consume the same bait fish that largemouth and other sporting fish eat so Im not real hip on that. They are in every lake though and its doubtful that they have any impact on the population of fish that we as diverse anglers fish for be it, largemouth, crappie, cats etc...on the other hand, I can see it being a fun sport and I would like to try it some day. Would I eat one, not in a million years with the best recipe.


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Re: QUICK POLL: Is this a problem at public waters you frequent? [Re: winchester44] #9884470 04/05/14 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted By: winchester44
Received this from TPW today:


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This would be a violation under the "waste of fish" clause, which can be found on page 33 of the regulations booklet:

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It is unlawful to leave edible fish or bait fish taken from the public waters of the state to die without the intent to retain the fish for consumption or bait.
----

Some anglers would argue that gar and buffalo are "trash" fish, and not edible. But there are people who eat both species; in fact, those fish are sometimes caught and sold by commercial fishermen. So this behavior is technically illegal. As a practical matter, however, it's seldom prosecuted, because:

- A Game Warden would have to catch a person in the act of shooting the fish and leaving them to rot and so many Texans have traditionally thought of gar and buffalo as trash fish


Leaving heaps of dead and dying fish near a public boat ramp is CERTAINLY bad manners, and could be classified as littering and/or creating a public nuisance. If local authorities could figure out who's doing it, charges of that sort might be easier to file.

Here are some places to call when you see this type of violation:
- Operation Game Thief hotline at 800-792-4263 (especially if you see the behavior in progress)
- The county sheriff's office
- The river authority or whoever maintains the boat ramp. This behavior is "polluting" a public use area and making it unpleasant for other visitors. If enough people complain, they might at least put up signs telling these folks to dispose of their carcasses somewhere else.

Web Coordinator, Inland Fisheries Division
Texas Parks and Wildlife Department
(512) 389-8055


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Comment or Question:

Is it legal for any fishermen to leave dead or dying fish taken out of public waters on the ground? Specifically I have witnessed large piles of long nose gar and buffalo on the banks of the Brazos and at a boat ramp on the Brazos. The fish appeared to have been shot with rifle or bow. Is this just littering or is it waste of natural resources? If it is illegal, in the future should I report this and if so to whom?


Good to know, I hope anybody that gets caught dumping fish at the ramp or back into the lake gets the book thrown at them, we're on the same side there. Its your obvious contempt for bowfishermen (as evident in about 100 threads) that makes me question why you're on this bowfishing smear campaign.

Re: QUICK POLL: Is this a problem at public waters you frequent? [Re: MTGMAN] #9884521 04/05/14 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted By: MTGMAN
Would I eat one, not in a million years with the best recipe.


Longnose Gar vs Channel Catfish:

One of these fish routinely eats on the bottom of the water, the other primarily feeds off the bottom and closer to the surface.

One of these fish has a diet of primarily live fresh fish, the other routinely eats dead, rotting fish, and is attracted to the smell of rotting fish.

Both of these fish can clean out with 100% boneless white meat fillets, however one of these fish is notorious for having a very strong blood line of red meat that should be cut out before eating.

Both taste great but one is commonly referred to as "poor man's lobster".

One looks fairly docile and seems happy to be caught, the other has aggressive looks, lots of teeth, will jump out of the water like a tarpon during a fight, and generally will scare the hell out of you the first time you catch one. Guess which one joe public routinely says "wouldn't eat one in a million years". wink

Re: QUICK POLL: Is this a problem at public waters you frequent? [Re: winchester44] #9886528 04/06/14 06:57 PM
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I personally would love to try buffalo ribs (fish of course) and backstrap off a gar. I heard a lot about how good they are.


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Re: QUICK POLL: Is this a problem at public waters you frequent? [Re: bowfishin_steven] #9888669 04/07/14 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted By: bowfishin_steven

Its your obvious contempt for bow fishermen (as evident in about 100 threads) that makes me question why you're on this bowfishing smear campaign.


A smear campaign? With all due respect, please name one misstatement of fact I have made?
I'm 100% for the right for bow fishing to continue to be legal.

1. I don't want native fishes exterminated from our waters like several of the the posters above want.
2. I don't want entire boat loads native fish harvested for purposes other than consumption
(or for management purposes under the direction of a biologist)
3. I don't like having to continually explain to my kids why there is a huge pile of dead native fish at our public camp site.
4. Most of all I don't want US Fish and Game or the EPA to get involved like they have for countless other species.



However, a few vocal bow fishermen continue to vehemently disagree with basic tenets of conservation like those above.
That is the their right. However, if they find that their comments raise the ire of fellow fishermen who do want
native fish preserved for their grand kids, is that my fault or theirs?



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Re: QUICK POLL: Is this a problem at public waters you frequent? [Re: winchester44] #9890537 04/08/14 05:30 AM
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Just split gar down the back and remove the two straps like on a deer or hog....learned from a Cajun oilfield crew!

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Too bad so many are looking down their noses at people who eat these "trash fish"
I wonder if they've ever spent much time with needy inner city families or any time oustside the US.
Maybe talk to a Marine after spending weeks on a FOB in the Sandbox eating nothing but MRE's.
Fresh wild caught fish is a luxury for most people on this planet.

Re: QUICK POLL: Is this a problem at public waters you frequent? [Re: winchester44] #9891059 04/08/14 02:02 PM
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NEW REPLY FROM TPW CONCERNING WANTON WASTE:

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Thanks for the reply! So my understanding is that they since there is no bag limit they can take an unlimited number of these buffalo and longnose gar to be disposed of elsewhere (not for consumption or bait) so long as they are not left on public land.

Thanks again!



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Technically, no. That would still be illegal under the waste of fish clause.
But its true that there are no bag limits on buffalo and longnose gar. If nobody sees the carcasses, theres little to no chance the fishermen would ever be cited for a violation.


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