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River access and usage: Why it's sometimes an issue #9826331 03/15/14 07:11 PM
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Why is river access and river usage an issue, and what can you do to help solve it? This blog starts the discussion, feel free to join in! This is the main reason why NOR (National Organization for Rivers) exists.
http://www.nationalrivers.org/why-are-public-rights-on-rivers-an-issue.html

Cheers!

Also, we have a question for you:

To what degree does the NOR website answer your river law and access questions?

A. Completely
B. Mostly
C. Partially
D. Not really (please share with us how we can change it)

Thanks for your feedback!

Re: River access and usage: Why it's sometimes an issue [Re: National Rivers] #9828425 03/16/14 05:14 PM
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My understanding of the law is not the problem. It is the lack of understanding or the refusal to abide by law by the property owners next to the river that causes the problems. I live on the Brazos River in Somervell County and understand the frustration of having people trespass on your land, especially if they trash the place. But I also don't understand the landowner standing on the shore of the Devils River berating me for legally canoeing down "his river"! This particular article by NOR actually answers no questions. Only makes the point that it would be less confusing to the tax paying user if the Feds & state were on the same page. Novel concept! :-)

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Re: River access and usage: Why it's sometimes an issue [Re: 361V] #9829653 03/17/14 01:16 AM
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Well said. I am on the brazos a lot and always try and leave the river cleaner than I found it. I have never had an issue on the brazos, but did have a an uncomfortable incident on the devil's the one time i went. Education would help a lot.

Re: River access and usage: Why it's sometimes an issue [Re: National Rivers] #9831868 03/17/14 09:24 PM
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Is there anywhere on the website where it quotes the federal law? I looked around on there and couldn't find it. Looks like they want you to buy their book.

I would be interested in knowing what the federal law states. We were camping on a sand bar on the trinity river last year, and a Game Warden told us he didn't care if we were there, but if the property owner showed up it would be best for us to leave. We were way below the upper bank of the river, and quite obviously on public property.

Re: River access and usage: Why it's sometimes an issue [Re: National Rivers] #9837112 03/19/14 03:34 PM
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Arkansas is very friendly to fisherman and kayaks on rivers and streams. As I understand it, as long as you are in the riverbed, you are on public domain. That said, there were bad incidents of landowners shooting at canoes on the Frog Bayou (which my Grandpa called Clear Creek).

I've also encountered a lot of fences. I understand these, as people keep cattle and they will escape without the fence. That said, it's a big problem if you have to portage around the fence through a cane break.


John 21:3 Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing. They say unto him, We also go with thee.
Re: River access and usage: Why it's sometimes an issue [Re: National Rivers] #9839148 03/20/14 02:16 AM
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I am a land owner on the Brazos River.
The Gradent Boundry line is the actual property line.

http://ranchesplus.com/articles/the-public-can-legally-trespass-see-how.htm

https://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publication...tboundary.phtml

Re: River access and usage: Why it's sometimes an issue [Re: slimjim] #9841569 03/20/14 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted By: slimjim
Is there anywhere on the website where it quotes the federal law? I looked around on there and couldn't find it. Looks like they want you to buy their book.

I would be interested in knowing what the federal law states. We were camping on a sand bar on the trinity river last year, and a Game Warden told us he didn't care if we were there, but if the property owner showed up it would be best for us to leave. We were way below the upper bank of the river, and quite obviously on public property.


I have never had any issues, but the reason they say to do this is to keep the peace. The last thing they want to do is come sort out the results after things turn ugly. The one time I ever ran into a landowner on the Sabine River he was fine with us fishing off the sandbar we had pulled up on.


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Re: River access and usage: Why it's sometimes an issue [Re: slimjim] #9854023 03/25/14 09:09 PM
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Sorry it was difficult to find! The handout is a good place to start: http://www.nationalrivers.org/2013%2010%20NATIONAL%20handout%20on%208x11.pdf

The handout (and other posters available) is a short summary of the law. If you want to the details form A-Z, the book is on Amazon Kindle or the NOR website

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