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Re: Proposed Alligator Gar Fishing Rule Changes *Possible Fishery Closures* [Re: Droyhef] #9815879 03/12/14 01:20 AM
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Slim they DO HAVE to have flooded vegetation , the eggs ARE NOT FREE floating as the fish rubs up against flooded vegetation this and the males bumping her with their heads causes her to lay the eggs , which IMEDIATELY stick to the grass/trees . The problem that everyone is not looking at is 42,000 was a TOTAL POPULATION of which only maybe 5% are fish over 100 lbs which are your best egg producing females
Actually its a lot further stretch of river than you think with all the bends and turns in the river , I WILL BE at the meeting as I think a closure during spawning is not a viable option
I have also asked P&W about restitution on alligator gar , if a 160-180 " whitetail is worth $10,000 what is a 150 lb + alligator gar that is 40 to 65 yrs old "depending on genetics" worth . The reason I say depending on genetics is some fish will never grow over 100 lbs others will keep growing all of their lives , if you have a 200 lb female and a 100 lb male" pretty rare" those genetics will produce giant fish , small males not so big


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Re: Proposed Alligator Gar Fishing Rule Changes *Possible Fishery Closures* [Re: Droyhef] #9815938 03/12/14 01:34 AM
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Which meeting will you be at? I would like to come and hear what you have to say, as well as hear the reactions to it if it isn't too far to drive.

Re: Proposed Alligator Gar Fishing Rule Changes *Possible Fishery Closures* [Re: Droyhef] #9815980 03/12/14 01:46 AM
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I will be at the Huntsville meeting as its the closest


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Re: Proposed Alligator Gar Fishing Rule Changes *Possible Fishery Closures* [Re: duckhuntr35] #9817617 03/12/14 03:23 PM
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Post removed by original poster- moved to open freshwater discussion- "no bow-fishing discussion on rough fish section"


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Re: Proposed Alligator Gar Fishing Rule Changes *Possible Fishery Closures* [Re: Droyhef] #9817648 03/12/14 03:33 PM
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State Record youth bowfishing
Source: realbigfishing [ Found in: Photo Gallery ] Created: 02/02/2009 19:34

Summary:
7'6" 205lb Alligator gar State record for youth. All these gar were taken over a 3 day guided hunt. www.bigfishbowfishingtexas.com

Tell the whole story on the first picture.

Date was 2/2/09. Taken over 3 day period.

Re: Proposed Alligator Gar Fishing Rule Changes *Possible Fishery Closures* [Re: CRACKCORN] #9817857 03/12/14 04:22 PM
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Thanks for clearing that up. How did those fish taste after 3 days?

Re: Proposed Alligator Gar Fishing Rule Changes *Possible Fishery Closures* [Re: duckhuntr35] #9817897 03/12/14 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted By: duckhuntr35

Slim they DO HAVE to have flooded vegetation , the eggs ARE NOT FREE floating as the fish rubs up against flooded vegetation this and the males bumping her with their heads causes her to lay the eggs , which IMEDIATELY stick to the grass/trees . The problem that everyone is not looking at is 42,000 was a TOTAL POPULATION of which only maybe 5% are fish over 100 lbs which are your best egg producing females
Actually its a lot further stretch of river than you think with all the bends and turns in the river , I WILL BE at the meeting as I think a closure during spawning is not a viable option
I have also asked P&W about restitution on alligator gar , if a 160-180 " whitetail is worth $10,000 what is a 150 lb + alligator gar that is 40 to 65 yrs old "depending on genetics" worth . The reason I say depending on genetics is some fish will never grow over 100 lbs others will keep growing all of their lives , if you have a 200 lb female and a 100 lb male" pretty rare" those genetics will produce giant fish , small males not so big


This sounds quite viable, 5 violations a year equals a game warden's salary.
Do you think a one size fits all for all water bodies is the best/most practical approach?

Re: Proposed Alligator Gar Fishing Rule Changes *Possible Fishery Closures* [Re: Droyhef] #9817948 03/12/14 04:51 PM
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Just want to point out that the date these were shot doesn't matter. Wasting fish was just as illegal then as it is now.

Re: Proposed Alligator Gar Fishing Rule Changes *Possible Fishery Closures* [Re: slimjim] #9818151 03/12/14 05:51 PM
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Just want to point out that the date these were shot doesn't matter. Wasting fish was just as illegal then as it is now.


That's all you got? Wanton waste of game laws? Look again at the law. These are classified as ROUGH FISH. Not GAME fish. As long as they were properly disposed of, those guys are good to go. But if your really concerned they broke the law, then by all means, call the authorities and report them. GW will tell ya the same as me......after he quits laughing at you.

NEXT.....

Re: Proposed Alligator Gar Fishing Rule Changes *Possible Fishery Closures* [Re: Droyhef] #9818302 03/12/14 06:38 PM
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That is all I have in response to you last post. Took it straight from the TPWD Website. I checked before I posted it, unlike your misinformed response that is so prevalent among bowhunters. Ignorance is bliss I guess. Says nothing about game fish. You have stated that they are edible, so go ahead and defend this one. Won't be any game warden laughing at me! And while you are at it, I'm going to go ahead and ask you for the FOURTH time how this is all about money. Either start backing up your claims, or stop polluting the forum with your misleading comments.

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Prohibited Acts

Also see Possession and Transport of Exotic Species

Tournament Fraud

It is illegal to enter fish in a saltwater or freshwater fishing tournament that have had the length or weight altered, were taken unlawfully, or are fraudulently misrepresented.

It is a violation to:
Take, kill, or disturb sea turtles or sea turtle eggs;
Take, kill, or disturb any endangered or threatened species (paddlefish, shovel-nosed sturgeon, smalltooth sawfish and others);
Take or kill diamondback terrapin, sawfish of any species, porpoises, dolphins (mammals), or whales;
Place any game fish into public waters, other than the body of water where the fish was caught, without a valid permit issued by TPWD. This includes fish caught by pole and line. For permit information, please call 1-800-792-1112 (menu 4) or 1-512-389-4444.
Use any vessel to harry, herd or drive fish including, but not limited to, operating any vessel in a repeated circular course, for the purpose of or resulting in the concentration of fish for the purpose of taking or attempting to take fish.

Tagging Fish

It is unlawful to release into the public waters of this state a fish with a device or substance implanted or attached that is designed, constructed or adapted to produce an audible, visual or electronic signal used to monitor, track, follow, or in any manner aid in the location of the released fish. It is legal to place an identification tag on the exterior of a fish and release this fish back into public waters. Caution is advised as use of these tags can damage fish.

Waste of fish

It is unlawful to leave edible fish or bait fish taken from the public waters of the state to die without the intent to retain the fish for consumption or bait.


Re: Proposed Alligator Gar Fishing Rule Changes *Possible Fishery Closures* [Re: Droyhef] #9818315 03/12/14 06:43 PM
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Bow Fishing Regulations



Page ContentsFishing License
Legal Equipment
What to Catch
Where to Fish



Hunting and fishing regulations are addressed in the Texas Administrative Code. This page summarizes regulations that apply to bow fishing.

Fishing License

A freshwater, saltwater, or all-water license package is required to bow fish in Texas public waters. No additional stamp or license is required.

You dont need a fishing license if you are:
Under 17 years of age
A Texas resident born before January 1, 1931

A hunting license is required to take turtles and frogs. You may elect to purchase a Combination or Super Combo license, which covers both fishing and hunting. For information on license fees and packages, see Licenses.

Legal Equipment

Fish may be taken with longbow, recurved bow, compound bow, or crossbow.

What to Catch

Bows are legal for taking non-game fishes such as gar, buffalo, mullet and sheepshead. A bow may be used to take any species of fish that is:
NOT listed as a game fish on the definitions page and
NOT listed as an endangered or threatened species

No minimum lengths or daily bag limits apply to non-game fishes in fresh water, except:
For alligator gar, there is a limit of one (1) per day. On portions of Lake Texoma, harvest of alligator gar is prohibited during the spawning season in May.
For Lady Bird Lake in downtown Austin, there is a daily limit of one (1) trophy-sized common carp, defined as a carp measuring 33 inches or more. No limits apply to smaller carp.

Limits exist on some non-game fishes in salt water. See saltwater limits.

Any fish that is edible or can be used for bait (includes all gar species, common carp and buffalo) may not be released back into the water after being taken with lawful archery equipment.

Re: Proposed Alligator Gar Fishing Rule Changes *Possible Fishery Closures* [Re: CRACKCORN] #9818350 03/12/14 06:53 PM
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Law or no law, that a pretty extreme attitude to have or accept in others.
Referring to the killing of native fish solely for entertainment with no intention of consumption or other use as "good to go"!
Makes the buffalo hunters look pretty tame by comparison. At least they used the capes.

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Just want to point out that the date these were shot doesn't matter. Wasting fish was just as illegal then as it is now.


That's all you got? Wanton waste of game laws? Look again at the law. These are classified as ROUGH FISH. Not GAME fish. As long as they were properly disposed of, those guys are good to go. But if your really concerned they broke the law, then by all means, call the authorities and report them. GW will tell ya the same as me......after he quits laughing at you.

NEXT.....



Just got off the phone with TPW's Operation Game Thief. I told them about what I had witnessed finding piles of dead buffalo and long nose gar on the bank with obvious arrow wounds and also witnessing them floating downstream shortly after an air boat passed headed upstream. In answer to your question the call taker said yes they he absolutely wanted to know about any "waste of game" regardless of species. I asked if that included buffalo and long nose gar and he confirmed yes they wanted to know. I asked if this included "rough fish" and he replied he was not familiar with this term. He asked me for specific locations I have seen fish dumped or dead fish thrown back into the water and said the responsible warden would be calling me back. Further he stressed that I need to call them right away if I ever see it happen again.

Anyhow, I guess the game warden will be calling me. Please do not misconstrue this as any form of threat. I simply wanted to confirm the law. I can't reporting anything to identify anyone as I did not personally witness the act anyhow.


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Re: Proposed Alligator Gar Fishing Rule Changes *Possible Fishery Closures* [Re: Droyhef] #9821154 03/13/14 05:17 PM
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Have you gotten a call back yet? Just curious.
Dawson, I'm going to the Palestine meeting. See you there.

As far as us bowfishermen coming up with viable options.
Why shoot ourselves in the foot if it's not needed?

Would you come up with a viable option for gun control?
Give up all but one pistol, rifle and shotgun because who really needs
more than one of each, right?

Re: Proposed Alligator Gar Fishing Rule Changes *Possible Fishery Closures* [Re: TEXAS TWO GUNS] #9821249 03/13/14 05:52 PM
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No call back yet, will let you know if they do.

On the gun control debate it sounds like you and I are in the same boat.
I'm an NRA Life Member, but even they have been guilty of giving the appearance
of an obstructionist organization during some recent events. Mostly this is
a failure on their part in getting their message out during mass hysteria of the 24 news cycle
echo chamber. Lately they have put together very viable options on mental health
records among other items. They have also historically called for tougher
enforcement of existing regulation.

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