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Light weight battery power for Yak #9801246 03/06/14 10:30 PM
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Going to set up my Lowerance Mark 5X pro in my Old Town Caspian. Trying to keep the weight down. Don't fish for more than a few hours at a time. What did you do? Suggestions? Tks in advance.


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Re: Light weight battery power for Yak [Re: Zip-ur-Fly] #9801338 03/06/14 11:00 PM
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This link should help answer your question.

http://www.texaskayakfisherman.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=137923

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Originally Posted By: JJ4MEL
This link should help answer your question.

http://www.texaskayakfisherman.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=137923


Perfect...thanks!


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Re: Light weight battery power for Yak [Re: Zip-ur-Fly] #9803306 03/07/14 03:38 PM
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Amp hour rating is key. Using AA batteries in series to get your voltage up to 12v is not going to increase the Ah rating of the batteries. What ever current (amps) your fishfinder draws, divide that into the total amp hour rating of your battery setup to get an average timespan that your electronics will stay powered. This is a ballpark estimate, because the climate the battery is in, and the remaining amps will affect voltage output. The colder the climate the battery is in, the less current it will be able to supply, and the lower the amps drop, the lower the voltage will go. It's a diminishing return system.

For instance:

If your fishfinder draws 4 amps RMS (root mean square), and you are using a 12v sealed lead acid dry cell that has a 9 amp hour rating, expect your electronics to last no longer than 2.25 hours (9 AH / 4amps = 2.25 hours).

Also keep in mind that these over the counter deer feeder batteries are not rated for deep cycling, and you will get decreased cell life as you continue to drain and charge it. This is due to the electrolysis happening inside the cell becoming less efficient as the ion deposition from the anode / cathode begins to deteriorate over time.

*edit* as an addendum, you will find that mass of a battery and amp hours are directly proportional. It takes more mass of the anode / cathode to prolong the electrolysis process inside the battery. You need to find an amp hour rating that will give you a timespan of life for your electronics that makes you comfortable and just go with it.

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It's also a good idea to not drain in below 12volts (aprox 50%) and charge it as soon as possible after use, don't let it sit around partially charged. Best to use a battery Charger/Conditioner.



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Re: Light weight battery power for Yak [Re: APynckel] #9803466 03/07/14 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted By: APynckel
Amp hour rating is key. Using AA batteries in series to get your voltage up to 12v is not going to increase the Ah rating of the batteries. What ever current (amps) your fishfinder draws, divide that into the total amp hour rating of your battery setup to get an average timespan that your electronics will stay powered. This is a ballpark estimate, because the climate the battery is in, and the remaining amps will affect voltage output. The colder the climate the battery is in, the less current it will be able to supply, and the lower the amps drop, the lower the voltage will go. It's a diminishing return system.

For instance:

If your fishfinder draws 4 amps RMS (root mean square), and you are using a 12v sealed lead acid dry cell that has a 9 amp hour rating, expect your electronics to last no longer than 2.25 hours (9 AH / 4amps = 2.25 hours).

Also keep in mind that these over the counter deer feeder batteries are not rated for deep cycling, and you will get decreased cell life as you continue to drain and charge it. This is due to the electrolysis happening inside the cell becoming less efficient as the ion deposition from the anode / cathode begins to deteriorate over time.

*edit* as an addendum, you will find that mass of a battery and amp hours are directly proportional. It takes more mass of the anode / cathode to prolong the electrolysis process inside the battery. You need to find an amp hour rating that will give you a timespan of life for your electronics that makes you comfortable and just go with it.


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Re: Light weight battery power for Yak [Re: APynckel] #9803770 03/07/14 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted By: APynckel
Amp hour rating is key. Using AA batteries in series to get your voltage up to 12v is not going to increase the Ah rating of the batteries. What ever current (amps) your fishfinder draws, divide that into the total amp hour rating of your battery setup to get an average timespan that your electronics will stay powered. This is a ballpark estimate, because the climate the battery is in, and the remaining amps will affect voltage output. The colder the climate the battery is in, the less current it will be able to supply, and the lower the amps drop, the lower the voltage will go. It's a diminishing return system.

For instance:

If your fishfinder draws 4 amps RMS (root mean square), and you are using a 12v sealed lead acid dry cell that has a 9 amp hour rating, expect your electronics to last no longer than 2.25 hours (9 AH / 4amps = 2.25 hours).

Also keep in mind that these over the counter deer feeder batteries are not rated for deep cycling, and you will get decreased cell life as you continue to drain and charge it. This is due to the electrolysis happening inside the cell becoming less efficient as the ion deposition from the anode / cathode begins to deteriorate over time.

*edit* as an addendum, you will find that mass of a battery and amp hours are directly proportional. It takes more mass of the anode / cathode to prolong the electrolysis process inside the battery. You need to find an amp hour rating that will give you a timespan of life for your electronics that makes you comfortable and just go with it.


Lowerance says the unit draws .25 amps/hour how does that relate to RMS?


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Re: Light weight battery power for Yak [Re: Zip-ur-Fly] #9804152 03/07/14 08:54 PM
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I would think you would just divide the Ahr rating of your battery by the amp draw of your device and get your approximate run time in hrs.

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just go to Academy and get one of their batteries used in feeders. they work awesome

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Re: Light weight battery power for Yak [Re: Zip-ur-Fly] #9804216 03/07/14 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted By: Zip-ur-Fly
Lowerance says the unit draws .25 amps/hour how does that relate to RMS?


That should be RMS, you should get a multimeter to read start up current draw (usually higher than RMS).

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Originally Posted By: Dougy
just go to Academy and get one of their batteries used in feeders. they work awesome


^^^this^^^

Re: Light weight battery power for Yak [Re: swalker9513] #9804227 03/07/14 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted By: swalker9513


*Dazed and Confused, possibly with a little drool in the corner of my mouth* Huh?


that was way too complicated for me as well. i would concentrate on this, the AH rating on the batter and the power consumption of your electronics. if you have a pump, it draws 2.5a and you have a 10AH battery, you will have 4hrs of run time in optimal conditions.

****** disclaimer!! as the amps on the battery is used, the voltage drops. In case of pumps and trolling motors, the motor will slow down and be less effective. On fish finders, it is different. They have a protection circuit that will shut down the unit if the voltage drops below a certain point. Most are about 10vdc. So if you have a FF that draws 2.5a and you have a 10AH battery, don't count on it running for 4hrs. you can ask any EE if there is a formula that can tell you how many amps drawn vs the drop in voltage and they will think you're crazy. just to many variables.


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I've been running two deer feeder batteries to power my Humminbird 998. I've been using one battery for three years and the other a year. I'm sure that I'll have to replace them sometime but they've lasted longer than some boat batteries I've owned.

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Andrew, that was a great explanation! I've talked about batteries on occasion for years, but no one seems to care. The main cause of the deterioration of ion deposition is the formation of sulfate crystals on the lead plates. This process (called sulfation) can be reliably reversed using pulse technology chargers. I have been using this tech for years, and rarely buy lead-acid batteries for anything.


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Re: Light weight battery power for Yak [Re: Bass Art] #9804917 03/08/14 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted By: Bass Art
Andrew, that was a great explanation! I've talked about batteries on occasion for years, but no one seems to care. The main cause of the deterioration of ion deposition is the formation of sulfate crystals on the lead plates. This process (called sulfation) can be reliably reversed using pulse technology chargers. I have been using this tech for years, and rarely buy lead-acid batteries for anything.


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What kind of batteries do you use then? Li-Ion? I heard they're just as bad, if not worse, for cell lifespan (and this is due to their ionization energies).

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