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Re: To be a guide?
[Re: Bruce Johns]
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03/06/14 03:14 PM
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snickers
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Sorry Bruce I forget things now and again the older I get. I'm 58. I do good to remember what I ate for dinner yesterday. Break given. There was also a lady at Cedar Creek who had a deck boat and guided for sand bass exclusively. Sorry, I don't remember her name either but I worked for Northland Cable News at the time and these guides did periodic fishing reports for the cable news. What sort of a test should a sand bass guide take? I can imagine the questions: "Please indicate the proper wiggle for a slab spoon in 20' water at 60 degrees"  I do have an observed opinion on what we don't need: We don't need a system like Montana has on their flyfishing and hunting guides. The state issues a limited number of "outfitter licenses" and they are pricey. It's a good-ol-boy network and no matter how good of a guide you may be....you can't guide unless you work for an "outfitter". It's awful. You knew a guide for years and you don't know his last name. Come on man That's an interesting question. I knew a gentleman over at Cedar Creek who guided for years. Cliff (sorry, I forget his last name), was a great guide from what I've heard. His clients loved him and he had many repeats. He put people on fish. He was pleasant, and was very good at instructional techniques, depending on what his clients wanted and their skill levels. As far as I know...he never fished tournaments....thought they were kinda silly. So, I'm not sure that tournament fishing is the indicator of "success in the field". I'm not sure what a good indicator system would be. It seems that offshore guides have to pass some pretty intense tests....maybe that's the answer but, who's gonna write the tests and what would be their content? Would you have a test for technique knowledge?  It's sure something to think about though.
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Re: To be a guide?
[Re: RKT]
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03/06/14 03:14 PM
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Lake Fork Guide Zach Hughes
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What's that ol saying on Swamp People............ Yall think you could hancle it, just come on down!!!!!
You find out real quick who will make it and who won't!
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Re: To be a guide?
[Re: Gilbert M.]
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03/06/14 03:14 PM
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baitmonkey
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Well you should have a TPWD permit I would think. Other than that it's like any other occupation ie. mechanic, painter, etc. That's why you should do your homework before soliciting any service. +1. When my brother and i first started fishing Fork 10 years ago, we went with a guide who will remain nameless for 2 trips. Then we started going with John Tanner and it was a world of difference. People just need to do their homework.
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Re: To be a guide?
[Re: Toad Jerker]
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03/06/14 03:19 PM
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DumpyBankBeater
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I think I know of a couple like that at Allan Henry.lol
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Re: To be a guide?
[Re: RKT]
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03/06/14 03:20 PM
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hopalong
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any form of guiding is rough and only the ones that have knowledge and are good will make it more than one or two seasons.
I was a guide in colorado for a lot of yrs. and it is a two way street, if you are not good with people you will fail, patience is a huge virtue for any guide, knowing what you are doing and being able to "read" customers is critical. fishing, whitewater rafting, hunting, backwoods skiing or any other type of guide service is made or not by word of mouth, all it takes is one bad remark on fb or twitter and you need to go get that burger flippin job.
leave it like it is, texas fishing guide is not an easy title to live up to now.
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Re: To be a guide?
[Re: RKT]
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03/06/14 03:24 PM
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374 Trigger
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I have a guide friend on Toledo offered me guide job years back, at that time he had a couple he was keeping booked up . he owned cyclone baits and real busy back then. if I had wanted to get into guide I think this would be the way to get established ,starting out working under an established guide.point is he wouldn't take you on if he didn't think you could produce
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Re: To be a guide?
[Re: Slade]
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03/06/14 03:28 PM
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JacksonBean
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It may sound easy, but I guarantee you if anyone starts taking people out on a regular basis and not catching fish, then the life of a guide will be short lived. Its very much a results driven career. So the credentials don't matter near as much as the results. If someone can produce the results on a consistent basis, then everything else will take care of itself. But I would think that it is one of those jobs that looks easy, but those guys work their butts off, and work longer hours than most of us. Yup
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Re: To be a guide?
[Re: YankHardReelFast]
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03/06/14 03:33 PM
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DumpyBankBeater
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I disagree that's what's wrong with the world today there's no accountability you should have some in depth knowledge and skills of what you proclaim to be.
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Re: To be a guide?
[Re: JacksonBean]
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03/06/14 03:38 PM
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Lake Fork Guide Zach Hughes
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It may sound easy, but I guarantee you if anyone starts taking people out on a regular basis and not catching fish, then the life of a guide will be short lived. Its very much a results driven career. So the credentials don't matter near as much as the results. If someone can produce the results on a consistent basis, then everything else will take care of itself. But I would think that it is one of those jobs that looks easy, but those guys work their butts off, and work longer hours than most of us. Yup Work 320+ days a year, up at 4am not home til about 6pm, rain, sleet, ice, storms, high winds, no winds, 25 degrees - 125 degtees, scrambling to make your clients happy and catch fish even when they aren't biting! Oh yeah and while doing all this trying to keep your family together!
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Re: To be a guide?
[Re: RKT]
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03/06/14 03:43 PM
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Bruce Johns
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From what I hear, the offshore guide test is pretty intense. It has to do with instrument knowledge and safety. That seems extreme for freshwater. I would think that a person should, at a minimum, carry insurance on his clients and have a working knowledge of CPR and basic life-saving. Beyond that, I'm not sure that you can have a "pleasing personality" or "how to put clients on the big ones" test.  As indicated above....word-of-mouth will quickly make, or break, anyone offering guide services.
Now Entering the Black Forest Caution: -camouflage cottonmouths -stumps are perpetually 4" under surface -unforecast windstorms -gators that act funny -game wardens off their meds Have a Nice Day
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Re: To be a guide?
[Re: fouzman]
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03/06/14 05:37 PM
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tmcdet
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Pretend guides can last a long time if they are not guiding for a living....there are some out there that have been advertising as guides for many years that only guide as a sideline business, some of these could not have ever made a living guiding
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Re: To be a guide?
[Re: RKT]
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03/06/14 05:44 PM
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Lake Fork Guide Zach Hughes
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I keep hearing a Pretend guide........... What is a pretend guide????
People take guide trips for a variety of reasons! Catch fish, learn the lake, learn techniques, ride in a nice boat, or heck even a tax right off!
All I have read on this forum the last few days is other people trying to tell others how it should be done and why their way is better. Come on fellas. If a guide wants to guide full time, part time, or no time what does it matter to you.
Book who you feel comfortable with and let others decide how they spend THEIR money.
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Re: To be a guide?
[Re: RKT]
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03/06/14 07:10 PM
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RKT
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So the consensus is that it should be left as it is and we should do our research to book the right guide. I don't completely disagree. Those of us who have been in the game for a while know enough to do our research. However, what about the man who doesn't really bass fish that has a son getting into it who wants his dad to take him on a guided trip. He doesn't know anything about the industry and has no real contacts. The first place he will look is the internet. He will go to the website's and see all the pictures of big bass and assume anyone with a site and pics of big fish are good. He then goes and spends $400 on a guide and another $200 on fuel and lodging and may or may not have a decent guide.
I am not a computer guy, but it seems to me that if done right someone could set up a site that links to participating guides and then allows the clients to rate the guides. Is their any money to be made this way?
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Re: To be a guide?
[Re: RKT]
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03/06/14 07:14 PM
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horseplaydvm
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Just like nature, the strong will survive.
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Re: To be a guide?
[Re: RKT]
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03/06/14 07:16 PM
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fouzman
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So the consensus is that it should be left as it is and we should do our research to book the right guide. I don't completely disagree. Those of us who have been in the game for a while know enough to do our research. However, what about the man who doesn't really bass fish that has a son getting into it who wants his dad to take him on a guided trip. He doesn't know anything about the industry and has no real contacts. The first place he will look is the internet. He will go to the website's and see all the pictures of big bass and assume anyone with a site and pics of big fish are good. He then goes and spends $400 on a guide and another $200 on fuel and lodging and may or may not have a decent guide.
I am not a computer guy, but it seems to me that if done right someone could set up a site that links to participating guides and then allows the clients to rate the guides. Is their any money to be made this way? Ask Richie White or the folks at reservefishing.com
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