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Re: You make the call [Re: GeneTX] #9731091 02/12/14 02:16 PM
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I wouldnt fish it, just for the fact I didnt use it in day one. its easy for one to say "I found this spot too in practice" but yet in all actuality they gps someone else sitting on it in a day of practice. We have to many people doing this now days and really giving the sport a bad name. Its not a matter of how well you fish anymore, its a matter of how close you can get to bending the rules without breaking them. There are still some good fisherman out there, but seems that they dont get the respect they deserve because of the "fisherman" that have no sportsmanship or ethics. JMO


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Re: You make the call [Re: John Anderson] #9731122 02/12/14 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted By: John Anderson
You said 300 yard stretch.... That's huge...


John, that's a tiny stretch on Amistad. He's going to be moving up and down that stretch all day. Two boats on something like that = neither man wins. If I established myself there on day one I would fish it. If not, I'd yield to the man in third place and fish elsewhere. A good reputation takes years to build, and only one screw-up to destroy.


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Re: You make the call [Re: GeneTX] #9731212 02/12/14 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted By: GeneTX
I was really more curious as to where you draw the line on sportsmanship v. stupidity on my part.


Gene it looks like the line is being defined by the "I'd fish it anyway because I found it" group. I can guarantee some of these are the guys that say "fish it" are the same dudes that yell, kick and scream when a boat stops within a quarter mile of them...

That's a shame....

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Re: You make the call [Re: GeneTX] #9731226 02/12/14 02:51 PM
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reminds of some guys on Ray Hubbard.

Re: You make the call [Re: SkeeterRonnie] #9731241 02/12/14 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted By: SkeeterRonnie
I fish where I practiced, no matter what. Practice like you play. I fish tournaments to win.
On day 2, if he were in contention to win and I had no chance- I would skip that spot and keep running to the next.


I kinda think like Ronnie. I know i found that spot on my own, I'm not worried about what he thinks. But....If I'm totally out of the competition I would leave it alone and let him have it all to himself.


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Re: You make the call [Re: GeneTX] #9731678 02/12/14 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted By: GeneTX
Just to give a little clarity, the 300 yards was all there was and it was not enough for two boats for two days. It was Amistad an the A-Rig was basically the only way to catch them. The only reason it was not in my day one rotation is that it was a pretty good run. The situation was very similar to the Rojas/Jones deal. I would have never thought twice about fishing it if he was not a contender. I was really more curious as to where you draw the line on sportsmanship v. stupidity on my part.


There was no specifics in the opening post about how the 300 yard stretch was being fished. Your second post above gives more detail which could make for a different call and different opinions. 300 yards on Rayburn and Toledo holds 4 to 5 tournament boats with a fish and ski thrown in during the spawn. Has anyone fished Livingston Penwaugh Creek from January thru April during a tournament? 20 boats at a minimum just going around in circles within casting distance of each other.

I personally did not like the Jones and Rojas deal but I only know what Bassmaster wanted us to see.

All situations are different... You have to use your gut.



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Re: You make the call [Re: GeneTX] #9731756 02/12/14 05:16 PM
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300 yards is a big stretch based on fishing here in DFW lakes. As big as Amistad is... I would hopefully have other options than trying to split fish with someone.

Re: You make the call [Re: tx_basser] #9731884 02/12/14 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted By: tx_basser
300 yards is a big stretch based on fishing here in DFW lakes. As big as Amistad is... I would hopefully have other options than trying to split fish with someone.


This is exactly what the thought process should be. How big or small is the body of water fishing? Grand Lake is a good size lake, plenty of water for a 300 anglers. However, when the water is low, not so. Grand lake fishes small.

Regardless of water size, every angler is different. I would not park on an angler who is far ahead of me in the standings and has a good chance of winning the event. That angler will appreciate you and will return the favor to you in the future.

Re: You make the call [Re: GeneTX] #9731899 02/12/14 05:58 PM
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So if u did not know, u would have gone there? Heck If I am not in contention or concerned about points I'd probably not drive that far anyways for a spot... Unless I think I could possibly win or get a check.

But, if you found something on your own why not fish it. The other person may not even fish it the 2nd day. The fact that u did not go to this great spot on the 1st day, makes me wonder, and the fact that you are asking others about if this is right make me wonder too. Should not be an issue.

I have been told bout where others are fishing many times. People talk. I always try to make it a point to tell someone not to tell me where they are fishing, cause I may be fishing the same area.

Re: You make the call [Re: GeneTX] #9731935 02/12/14 06:07 PM
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You should have fish 1st day now that the guy is in 3rd you should ask him and if he has a chance to win you don't even ask, You mess up not fishing it take it like man and don't go crying that you knew about those fish. Not being rude but there is little respect these days for each other on the water. I ran into something like this last month only I talk to the other team before the tournament and we agree it was no big deal. Most of the time if you just talk to the other guy it can be work out.


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Re: You make the call [Re: John Anderson] #9732054 02/12/14 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted By: John Anderson
Originally Posted By: GeneTX
Just to give a little clarity, the 300 yards was all there was and it was not enough for two boats for two days. It was Amistad an the A-Rig was basically the only way to catch them. The only reason it was not in my day one rotation is that it was a pretty good run. The situation was very similar to the Rojas/Jones deal. I would have never thought twice about fishing it if he was not a contender. I was really more curious as to where you draw the line on sportsmanship v. stupidity on my part.


. 300 yards on Rayburn and Toledo holds 4 to 5 tournament boats with a fish and ski thrown in during the spawn. Has anyone fished Livingston Penwaugh Creek from January thru April during a tournament? 20 boats at a minimum just going around in circles within casting distance of each other.



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Re: You make the call [Re: GeneTX] #9732119 02/12/14 06:56 PM
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BMCD the lake was fishing very tough and the bass were concentrated in small areas. This was one of them. My decision to fish other stuff on the first day was a bad one and that was the reason for adjustment. I found the area and no one told me about it. As it turned out he had burned all the fish on day one and did not catch one on that stretch the second day. I launched my boat that morning thinking that I could make a comeback and a top 10 and actually I got paid so all was well. You would have had to be there to see how small that 300 yard stretch became when two guys are chunking A Rigs all day. It's interesting to see the different views on the subject.


Re: You make the call [Re: GeneTX] #9732158 02/12/14 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted By: GeneTX
You are fishing a big tournament. You get a couple of bites on a 300 yard stretch and shake one off in practice. You fish your better stuff on day one and it does not pan out. Your game plan for day two is to fish that stretch you found in practice. You tell a friend and he say's "That's the same stretch that the guy in 3rd place is fishing". You had no idea prior to making your decision but it "Was" part of your game plan and definitely something you found in your expensive long days of practice. Its all about winning and money is on the line. Do you yield or do you put on your blinders and fish what you found?


First, how does your friend know that the guy in 3rd place fished that same stretch? Was he fishing the tourney? Was he out fun fishing or was he out watching this person because it is his hero or mentor or whatever. You stated it was a long run.

How accurate is the data received when one communicates this type of information to another regarding stretch of water? Did you fish it together before and something happened that will trigger the other persons memory to know exactly where you are talking about? Is there specific landmarks that can identify the stretch.

Your game plan for day two was already established before any information was communicated or received, according to your above events. Would your game plan have been any different if you had not talked to you friend? I don't think it would have changed.

What if your take off number was ahead of the 3rd place person? You would have gotten there and no one else around. What would you have done if he pulled up after you? Would you be able to recognize the guy in 3rd place if he pulled up? What if his number was ahead of you and he got there before you did? Would you still recognize him? What if your friend was confused and thought it was another angler. What if he was a different boat. What if he left after once pass?

You had your game plan, I would have stuck with it, but kept my distance accordingly if I arrived after anyone. The old saying if you think you are fishing slow enough, slow down some more, it really pays off. Maybe he was fishing shallow and you were fishing deep or visa versa, etc, etc.

I have fished so called used water before and caught fish behind people many many times. I go in with the attitude that they do not know what they are doing and once a fish is caught, it will only boost my confidence in what I am doing.


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Re: You make the call [Re: GeneTX] #9733154 02/13/14 12:35 AM
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Lol holy hell.

Maybe you guys should just not worry so much about what other people think and concentrate on doing what YOU THINK IS RIGHT. At the end of the day, the only person staring at you in the mirror is you. Screw what the other guys think. If you're acting right in your opinion, that's all that matters. And if someone has a problem with it, it's their hangup, not yours.

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Are the guys saying, "Fish it!" the same ones who are always carping about someone fishing "their" water?

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