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Re: Save Lake Texoma
[Re: AgSellers04]
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01/20/14 08:25 PM
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TIM CLINE
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Regional General Permit 8-Boat Ramps and Minor Facilities Among other activities, RGP-8 allows for the removal of accumulated sediments and debris in the vicinity of, and within, existing structures (e.g., boat ramps, boat slips, boat docks, bridges, culverted road crossings, etc.) and the placement of new rip rap to protect the structure. The removal of sediment is limited to the minimum necessary to restore the waterway in the immediate vicinity of the structure to the approximate dimensions that existed when the structure was built, but cannot extend further than 200 feet in any direction from the structure. If the area to be dredged is less than 1/10 acre, does not result in permanent or temporary adverse effects to forested wetlands and does not occur within the habitat types listed in criteria 6.c.1-2, or d.(page 4), and best management practices are used to control sediments from re-entering the water, no PCN would be required. The placement of riprap must be the minimum necessary to protect the structure or to ensure the safety of the structure. All excavated materials must be deposited and retained in an upland area unless otherwise specifically approved by the USACE. Any bank stabilization measures not directly associated with the structure will require a separate authorization from the USACE.
RGP-8 was issued in 2009 by the Fort Worth District and applies to the Fort Worth and and Albequerque Districts. It is is for maintenance and construction of boat ramps and minor facilities that cause a minimum adverse effect to the aquatic environment (that is key) and it expires this August. Lake Texoma is in the Tulsa District. The information you just posted was from a public notice issued by the Fort Worth District in 2011 intended to offer information about permits that can be used for dredging and excavation activities during low water drought conditions in Texas. The Tulsa district has four general permits and they do not concern boat ramps. Yep!
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Re: Save Lake Texoma
[Re: Happykamper]
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01/20/14 08:56 PM
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J.P. Greeson
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It is all my fault, I bought a lakefront lot on Texoma, it will probably dry up now. It worked for me on Sandlin. Shortly after I moved out here full time, our dock went dry and has stayed that way the past 4 years. 
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Re: Save Lake Texoma
[Re: texasbass1]
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01/20/14 09:07 PM
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adam_p
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The last I heard is the Corp is working on the gates and plan on bringing the lake levels down to 590. The information came from Lighthouse Marina operators. It may get tough to launch at that level. I'm not saying that isn't true because I don't know, but that rumor gets started at every lake that ever gets low. It is always a bridge, the dam or a pipeline.
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Re: Save Lake Texoma
[Re: adam_p]
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01/20/14 11:16 PM
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Chris B
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Tim quit posting facts, they don't care for them. I posted some facts on there and was called a liar so I gave up. They just can't seem to grasp that no water is coming down the rivers and they probably released less water this year than ever before.
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Re: Save Lake Texoma
[Re: Outlaw2531]
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01/21/14 04:17 AM
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stump_bumper
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It's amazing how much misinformation is being passed along right now....here are some simple facts:
1. The corps has no control on the current water level of lake texoma. Full control belongs to power company. (If you don't believe me, call the corps office at the dam and ask them yourself. They are more than willing to tell you this simple fact)
2. The true meaning on this 590 elevation scare is that the power company has the authority to pull water out of texoma for generation purposes until lake reaches 590. They have had this power for a long time and have never come close to doing so!
3. The new gas plant in sherman will use zero water from texoma. Lake texoma association meeting last week confirmed this.
4. The 8 foot pipe for water purposes is nothing to worry about. This pipe is literally " a drop in the bucket". Here's the facts...if you ran the pipe 24 hrs a day for 365 days, the pipe would draw out about as much water as full generation for 3 days! In a full year, the pipe can draw down the lake maybe a foot or less, compared to power generation discharge, this is a non-issue.
5. The power company has the authority to pump 3 feet of water/month and no more than 1 foot/week.
6. There is no "plan" for this lake in regard to water level. We know the corps has no control, and the power company simply pumps water out as needed to make money. They will be the first to tell you there isn't a planned water level they are trying to pump the water down to.
hope this helps
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Re: Save Lake Texoma
[Re: stump_bumper]
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01/21/14 05:13 AM
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TIM CLINE
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Stump,
Where did Panda say it is going to get its water?
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Re: Save Lake Texoma
[Re: Outlaw2531]
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01/21/14 12:19 PM
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Brett Graham
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I say fix your ramps.....try to get a permit from the corp and you might be ready to go by 2019!  Good info gentlemen, this Facebook page has nothing to do with accuracy. Glad folks are interested in protecting the lake though, good to see some activism! Kind of like the thoughts of no access though....I enjoy having my own 88,000 acre lake!
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Re: Save Lake Texoma
[Re: Brett Graham]
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01/21/14 01:05 PM
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Chris B
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Kind of like the thoughts of no access though....I enjoy having my own 88,000 acre lake!
Dream on, if I can figure out how to launch at 638 I'll figure out a way to launch as soon as the current ramps dry up. Anyone know what is the longest ramp on the lake is?
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Re: Save Lake Texoma
[Re: Brett Graham]
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01/21/14 01:15 PM
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TIM CLINE
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I say fix your ramps.....try to get a permit from the corp and you might be ready to go by 2019!  Good info gentlemen, this Facebook page has nothing to do with accuracy. Glad folks are interested in protecting the lake though, good to see some activism! Kind of like the thoughts of no access though....I enjoy having my own 88,000 acre lake! The Lake is not anywhere near 89,000 acre right now!LOL
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Re: Save Lake Texoma
[Re: stump_bumper]
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01/21/14 01:17 PM
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361V
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It's amazing how much misinformation is being passed along right now....here are some simple facts:
1. The corps has no control on the current water level of lake texoma. Full control belongs to power company. (If you don't believe me, call the corps office at the dam and ask them yourself. They are more than willing to tell you this simple fact)
2. The true meaning on this 590 elevation scare is that the power company has the authority to pull water out of texoma for generation purposes until lake reaches 590. They have had this power for a long time and have never come close to doing so!
3. The new gas plant in sherman will use zero water from texoma. Lake texoma association meeting last week confirmed this.
4. The 8 foot pipe for water purposes is nothing to worry about. This pipe is literally " a drop in the bucket". Here's the facts...if you ran the pipe 24 hrs a day for 365 days, the pipe would draw out about as much water as full generation for 3 days! In a full year, the pipe can draw down the lake maybe a foot or less, compared to power generation discharge, this is a non-issue.
5. The power company has the authority to pump 3 feet of water/month and no more than 1 foot/week.
6. There is no "plan" for this lake in regard to water level. We know the corps has no control, and the power company simply pumps water out as needed to make money. They will be the first to tell you there isn't a planned water level they are trying to pump the water down to.
hope this helps Not taking a side but everyone should ba aware that the power company does have an incentive to conserve water past what they need for generation because if the level drops to minimum they loose their control over how much they can generate. Also, people sit in their houses with the air conditioner or heaters running while complaining about the water dropping. Kind of like the vegan picketing the meat processing plant for animal rights... in leather shoes! :-)
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Re: Save Lake Texoma
[Re: 361V]
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01/21/14 01:41 PM
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ogles824 (aka Lakewaydr50)
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I had read on the forun a few weeks ago that they were going to start pumping to DFW again after having to repair a pipeline. I know I came across Lavon Saturday evening @ 380 and the creek bed on the east side of the lake that the water from Cooper runs in to was almost high and dry with no water flow what so ever so I am pretty sure they have turned the pumps off to Cooper for the time being........
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Re: Save Lake Texoma
[Re: ogles824 (aka Lakewaydr50)]
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01/21/14 01:58 PM
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TIM CLINE
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I had read on the forun a few weeks ago that they were going to start pumping to DFW again after having to repair a pipeline. I know I came across Lavon Saturday evening @ 380 and the creek bed on the east side of the lake that the water from Cooper runs in to was almost high and dry with no water flow what so ever so I am pretty sure they have turned the pumps off to Cooper for the time being........ The water will not run down the creek into Lavon anymore it goes straight to the water plant!
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