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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
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09/17/13 03:46 AM
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Viper188D
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Put the fish in the water and remove the hook while underwater, the water way better than coke or mountain dew for coagulating the blood to help it stop bleeding, and plus its natural to the fish and can relax/breathe. If you are in a tourney, simply put the fish in the net and put the net in the water then remove hook. I hate when i see a guy just letting a fish bleed all over while trying to take the hook out above water, it will take 2x as long for the blood to thicken up and stop bleeding and most likely reduce the fishes chance of living when he looses more blood.
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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
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09/17/13 05:16 AM
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barryfish
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Don't put them in the livewell unless tournament fishing.
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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
[Re: SkeeterRonnie]
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09/17/13 05:17 AM
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barryfish
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apply pressure and tourniquet, and mark it's head with a T...administer an IV control the bleeding, and call for a med-evac STAT! Would that be a 9line medvac?
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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
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09/17/13 11:54 AM
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Sacking n stacking
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We have a winner! But Mountain Dew seems to help whenever I have a bleeding fish!
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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
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09/17/13 12:12 PM
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mcdil
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Put them back in the water as quickly as possible. For some reason, they're blood is the opposite of ours. They tend to bleed thin when out of the water, but can clot necessarily when in water. Would make sense since that's where they live.
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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
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09/17/13 04:23 PM
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Alot of interesting info here. Guess I have alot to try next time, including calling in a medevac.
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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
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09/17/13 08:34 PM
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I come across this one every now and then, and just recently saw it on a discussion board again this week. It's the deal about pouring a Mountain Dew or similar type cola drink on a bleeding bass, or just dumping the whole can in its mouth after a deep hooking wound to stop bleeding. The exact details vary depending on who is relating the wisdom.
The problem I'm having is trying to find any scientific basis for the action, to which I have found none. The most commonly suggested reason by the poster as to why this supposedly works is due to the citric acid component of soft drinks. That theory has two problems associated with it though.
Citric acid is actually an anticoagulant that prevents blood clotting Cola drinks, when compared to most other similar beverages actually have a very low citric acid component to them. Most every other citrus type drink including orange juice, lemon juice/lemonade or pineapple juice have from 2X to as much as 7X's the citric acid. If that's the primary reason, why not recommend one of those other drinks instead? Other reasons I've seen speculated relate to the coldness of the drink acting as a vasoconstrictor, but if that was the case why not just use or recommend ice-water. Another theory is that it's the carbonation in the drink (CO2), but again that doesn't make any sense as blood normally carries carbon dioxide, bicarbonate, and carbonic acid as part of normal kidney/waste fuunction and regulation. Too much of any of these in the blood actually leads to a serious medical condition.
The most likely scenario going on when you pour your drink on the fish is probably a stress reaction to some form of shock, very possibly related to the pH levels of the cola. A look at the following chart shows that the most common soft drinks we bassers carry around with us have a range of pH values between 2.4 and 3.7. Mountain Dew and 7-Up both run around 3.2, while Coke, Cherry Coke and Pepsi are down around 2.5. It is very possible that the acid is either triggering a response due to the pH shock, as literature suggests that a common fish reaction to such a sudden change in pH is often excess mucosal production of the gills to try and protect itself, or even a chemical burn or weak cauterization of the delicate gill tissues and structures due to the acid influx, neither of which may be beneficial to the long term health of the fish.
Actually, there is probably a much better way to handle this situation should you ever encounter it without having to use the cola treatment, and that is to simply get your fish into the water, either released back in the lake or into a treated livewell, as soon as possible.
In the case of the former, it has been found that fish blood clots about 35% faster in water than in air. You may have actually experienced this and not realised it. You have a fish with fresh blood running down its side from a wound, yet as soon as you release it in the water you notice little strings of the blood floating around in the water, almost like little strands of gelatin, and not some stream of red like food coloring. This is the blood gelling and coagulating upon contact with the water, most likely from a water-erythrocyte reaction.
In the case of the latter, most livewell treatment formulations have chemicals that act as stress relievers, sedatives, and/or antifungal/antibacterials that will all benefit the fish as soon as he is exposed to them, not to mention the immediate water immersion to speed up blood clotting.
I've heard that there has been an article recently on the subject in one of the bass magazines, so maybe someone out there has access to it and can explain the details of such. I haven't seen it myself, and extensive online searching only mentions all the previously discussed anecdotal variations of the technique.
Bass are pretty tough and resilient creatures, and the above tactic may not actually harm the fish. But until I understand the mechanism for why it seems to work, or whether something else out there might work as well or better, I'll be reserving it for only the most dire of circumstances, and then in moderation and targeted only to the specific tissue in peril. For most normal hooking instances where a fish is bleeding, a quick release into the lake, or a few minutes of recovery in my treated livewell will be my first choice of action.
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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
[Re: Viper188D]
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09/17/13 10:41 PM
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BCJ
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Put the fish in the water and remove the hook while underwater, the water way better than coke or mountain dew for coagulating the blood to help it stop bleeding, and plus its natural to the fish and can relax/breathe. If you are in a tourney, simply put the fish in the net and put the net in the water then remove hook. I hate when i see a guy just letting a fish bleed all over while trying to take the hook out above water, it will take 2x as long for the blood to thicken up and stop bleeding and most likely reduce the fishes chance of living when he looses more blood. 
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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
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09/18/13 12:40 PM
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SWEDE
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"Catch And Release" in the live well and be sure you have the water cool by adding a container with frozen water
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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
[Re: SWEDE]
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09/18/13 01:48 PM
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senko9S
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Please release me for bleeders, not catch n release.
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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
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09/18/13 02:45 PM
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Fishing Munchkin
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Catch and Release or Please Release Me from Sure Life Labs is the best for coagulating the blood. Just sprinkle it on the bleeding area & it works almost instantly!
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