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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
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08/26/13 06:14 PM
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Some think citric acid works. Citric acid is actually an anticoagulant that prevents blood clotting. Cola drinks, when compared to most other similar beverages actually have a very low citric acid component to them. Most every other citrus type drink including orange juice, lemon juice/lemonade or pineapple juice have from 2X to as much as 7X's the citric acid. If that's the primary reason, why not recommend one of those other drinks instead? Other reasons I've seen speculated relate to the coldness of the drink acting as a vasoconstrictor, but if that was the case why not just use or recommend ice-water. Another theory is that it's the carbonation in the drink (CO2), but again that doesn't make any sense as blood normally carries carbon dioxide, bicarbonate, and carbonic acid as part of normal kidney/waste fuunction and regulation. Too much of any of these in the blood actually leads to a serious medical condition.
The most likely scenario going on when you pour your drink on the fish is probably a stress reaction to some form of shock, very possibly related to the pH levels of the cola. A look at the following chart shows that the most common soft drinks we bassers carry around with us have a range of pH values between 2.4 and 3.7. Mountain Dew and 7-Up both run around 3.2, while Coke, Cherry Coke and Pepsi are down around 2.5. It is very possible that the acid is either triggering a response due to the pH shock, as literature suggests that a common fish reaction to such a sudden change in pH is often excess mucosal production of the gills to try and protect itself, or even a chemical burn or weak cauterization of the delicate gill tissues and structures due to the acid influx, neither of which may be beneficial to the long term health of the fish.
Actually, there is probably a much better way to handle this situation should you ever encounter it without having to use the cola treatment, and that is to simply get your fish into the water, either released back in the lake or into a treated livewell, as soon as possible.
In the case of the former, it has been found that fish blood clots about 35% faster in water than in air. You may have actually experienced this and not realised it. You have a fish with fresh blood running down its side from a wound, yet as soon as you release it in the water you notice little strings of the blood floating around in the water, almost like little strands of gelatin, and not some stream of red like food coloring. This is the blood gelling and coagulating upon contact with the water, most likely from a water-erythrocyte reaction.
In the case of the latter, most livewell treatment formulations have chemicals that act as stress relievers, sedatives, and/or antifungal/antibacterials that will all benefit the fish as soon as he is exposed to them, not to mention the immediate water immersion to speed up blood clotting.
I've heard that there has been an article recently on the subject in one of the bass magazines, so maybe someone out there has access to it and can explain the details of such. I haven't seen it myself, and extensive online searching only mentions all the previously discussed anecdotal variations of the technique.
Bass are pretty tough and resilient creatures, and the above tactic may not actually harm the fish. But until I understand the mechanism for why it seems to work, or whether something else out there might work as well or better, I'll be reserving it for only the most dire of circumstances, and then in moderation and targeted only to the specific tissue in peril. For most normal hooking instances where a fish is bleeding, a quick release into the lake, or a few minutes of recovery in my treated livewell will be my first choice of action.
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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
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08/26/13 06:15 PM
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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
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08/26/13 06:46 PM
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Fish Hunter, thanks for the post. Very informative.
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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
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08/26/13 07:21 PM
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Thats a really great answer to this question and gives us all something to think about. I guess we are always trying to fix it for the fish when alot of times they probably have the means already.
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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
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08/26/13 07:58 PM
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I had a one bleeding pretty good last year. My partner said, "Hope he makes it." I told him some dude on the TFF said to pour Mt. Dew down it's mouth to help stop the bleeding. I opened up my dew and gave him a nice drink. The fish started convulsing so I put him in the well. I washed my hands and opened the livewell to check on him. Stiff as a board.
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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
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08/26/13 08:02 PM
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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
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08/26/13 08:07 PM
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Put him on ice, works every time......
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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
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08/27/13 12:01 AM
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Set the hook faster and Mountain Dew if it bleeds
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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
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08/27/13 12:16 AM
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apply pressure and tourniquet, and mark it's head with a T...administer an IV control the bleeding, and call for a med-evac
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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
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08/27/13 01:58 AM
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yes, 360 degree grease works just like a surgeon with a cautery. burn it and it will stop bleeding.
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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
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08/27/13 02:01 AM
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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
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09/16/13 01:40 PM
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Now this is a ?. . . I have noticed that as soon as u put a bleeding fish in the water that the blood quickly thickens up. So does lake water actually help clog where the fish is bleeding? ^^^^^
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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
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09/16/13 02:05 PM
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I would not recommend the coke/mt dew remedy. While it stops the bleeding some studies suggest it is detrimental to the fish in the long run. IMHO put them in a treated live well. The fish has built in biology that kicks in in water. the treated live well will calm them down and the water will do the trick or not depending on how damaged the fish is. I've put them in the well just knowing there is no way they will make it to weigh in alive only to have them VERY alive and swim off at release. i just dont think it is wise to use things like coke to stop the bleeding.
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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
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09/16/13 02:21 PM
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apply pressure and tourniquet, and mark it's head with a T...administer an IV control the bleeding, and call for a med-evac STAT!
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Re: Tricks to get fish to stop bleeding?
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09/17/13 12:33 AM
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