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what happens to the fish when the lake turns over?
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Emile
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Does it shut down the bite and for how long?
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Re: what happens to the fish when the lake turns over?
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Dennis Christian
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There was a good thread on this a year or 2 ago. Maybe you can search it.
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Re: what happens to the fish when the lake turns over?
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Found this post on search: Re: When a lake turns over ? [Re: K.D.] wrestlefish Offline Outdoorsman
Water is most dense at 39 degrees celcius. In the summer as the deep water warms above 39 degrees celcius and the surface water never cools to create dense water, the deep water begins to rise. Deep water typically has decaying matter in it, and sulfur gases wouldn't be out of the ordinary. As it rises to the surface, the sulfur gases can be released (rotten egg smell) So, at least according to my studies, the sulfur gas smell can be associated with that rising, stagnant, deep water in summer time. (but not from the shower, from the lake itself)
But like KD, I don't call this turnover because although we have rising deep water, there is no sinking surface water, so it really isn't turning over, but instead, getting ready to turnover in the fall when the air temperatures create dense surface water.
In the hot summer, the air temperatures do not cool the surface temperatures adequately to cause dense, sinking water, so mixing of the water ceases. An invisible layer of water separates the dense, cold, deep water from the less dense warm water. We call this the thermocline and it is most likely pretty strong in most of our waters by now.
This is why oxygen gets depleted from the deeper waters - no mixing. But the fish want to get out of the heat and cool water holds oxygen better. So they go down as deep as they can where the water is cooler and oxygen is still present. That is why you often hear about fish hanging out in depths above the thermocline this time of year where oxygen is available. It also causes fish to suspend in deep water.
So, although the fish get a bit lethargic in this warm water time, the fishable part of our lakes gets smaller because we can ingnore water deeper than the thermocline.
Sandies will tell you where the thermocline is. They will suspend there and are easily seen on your fish finder. Some finders actually detect the thermocline when fish are absent. I was at Texoma the other day and we never marked a fish below say 22 to 23 feet of water, so my guess is that is about where the thermocline has set in on that lake
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Re: what happens to the fish when the lake turns over?
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08/15/13 02:01 PM
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Ive also been interested in understanding the lake turnover/Thermocline. Found this article by Randy Womack on bassresource.com - A long read but very informative! Granted, he speaks of LMB fishing, but, the same understanding can be applied to Whites, Hybrids and Stripers fishing I'm sure. Hope this helps!
Thermocline: The Barrier Thermocline: A transition layer in a thermally stratified body of water that separates zones of widely different temperature.
By Randy Womack Thermocline
You know, it seems like I've had a lot of people ask me about thermocline lately. Most of the time I haven't had enough time to explain what takes place in fresh water ecosystems, but you need to know about thermocline. It's very important to your fishing. I hope I can help you to understand it. Lakes go through seasonal water temperature changes. There are times when the layers mix and then separate. Most lakes have three layers. The epilimnion, is the top layer. When water temperatures rise in early summer, so does the density between the surface layer and the deeper layers. The hot surface water forms a thermal energy which opposes wind energy. As this occurs, water doesn't mix very far down. This is how barriers are formed. The top layer has good oxygen, but little temperature change. Below the top layer is the metalimnion. This zone is characterized by rapid temperature changes. Where the most temperature drop occurs in three feet of depth is called the thermocline. Below the metalimnion is the hypolimnion. This deep, cold layer has a more gentle temperature drop toward the bottom. In bass fishing, you need only concern your efforts from the thermocline upward. I've learned never to say never, but I'll go out on a limb with thermocline. I can almost assure you that 99 percent of the bass population prefer to be above the bottom of this zone. The one exception to this would be in a lake where the water is very clear. In a clear lake, photosynthesis can occur below the thermocline. When you have phytoplankton growth and oxygen levels high because of photosynthesis, bass could seek out deeper water. In very clear lakes there can be a second or double thermocline. Temperature is really the key, but I usually fish the upper thermocline, which is generally what is suitable for most fish. During the summer, oxygen will normally be poor below the thermocline. The reason is that tiny organisms are decomposing and falling down from the layer above. With plankton growth and shad feeding on the plankton, most bass are going to be just under them. I like to fish from the thermocline and up about five feet. This is the zone I target. Don't get me wrong, I also fish shallow, but it's usually early or late in the day. Wind can also change the thermocline. I don't worry too much about it unless there are strong winds for a couple of days. Some lakes won't have a thermocline. The level of thermocline usually follows clarity. The clearer the water, the deeper the thermocline. On dingier lakes, it may be only six or eight feet. In clearer ones it may be as deep as 30 feet. The way I find the "cline" is to turn on my depth finder and set the sensitivity on manual. I then run the sensitivity up to about 90 percent. As I cruise out into the lake, it will show a distinct line and usually have black streaks below that. If you don't know for sure where the thermocline is, let the bass and bait tell you. If there is a thermocline present, bait will be above it. You will see a three- or four-foot zone where the majority of fish are holding. This is how I first approach my decision on depth. If I'm seeing a bunch of fish at 15 to 18 feet, I'm going to target structure at this depth. If a lot of shad are present above this line, I promise you there's bass right there close. Sometimes it can be hard to get these fish to bite, but I would rather spend some time trying different angles and presentations on deeper structure than fishing shallow where I haven't had a bite in the last three hours. Sometimes on deeper structure along the thermocline, you have to find the sweet spot. This can take several hours, or you may not find it. When you do hit one of these spots, you'll be glad you spent the time. It can be the Motherload and nearly always the quality is good. In the fall, the thermocline will sink and disappear. As the water starts to cool in the end of September and on into October, it becomes more dense. As it sinks, it mixes with the water in deeper layers. The bottom comes to the top. This is called fall turnover. Now, the lake is completely mixed. This mixing is why you'll find bass suspended a great deal of the time in the fall. The water is the same at every depth. In the fall, I'll cruise back over some of the same structure that I fished in the summer. Bass will often suspend above points and humps. To catch these fish, I'll throw shallow-running crankbaits. Be sure to try a few different depth baits until you locate the depth where the fish are holding. The turnover is Mother Nature's way of re-fertilizing the lake. Nutrients from the bottom are brought back to the top.
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Re: what happens to the fish when the lake turns over?
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TIM CLINE
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Re: what happens to the fish when the lake turns over?
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Tim...............Beat me 2 IT! Google is a great place to search for stuff too  I have heard the Lake Humps flatten out in the summer..........or is that winter..... Hey Tim C do you know where TaDotTaDa Point is on Texoma?????
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Re: what happens to the fish when the lake turns over?
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08/15/13 05:55 PM
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TIM CLINE
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Not by that name! Probably do I just call it something else!
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