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Re: Power Head blown... objective opinions please [Re: Douglas J] #9141382 07/18/13 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted By: Doug R.
This is what a friend of mine found when he took his cowling off after hearing a loud "POP" and his motor promptly shutting down.

2012 200 Pro XS with less than 100 hours on it. All outboards are subject to failures.

just from the way the pic looks, the metal in that rod seems to be quite porous

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Re: Power Head blown... objective opinions please [Re: JFB] #9141464 07/18/13 04:32 PM
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It would be interesting to know if there is a relation to blown engines and guys that unload by themselves. I know I have had to get on the throttle kinda hard to get the boat off the trailer and it wasn't warmed up.

Re: Power Head blown... objective opinions please [Re: JFB] #9141496 07/18/13 04:42 PM
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OK, I get it. A person who is "old school", and insists that a new engine for their bassboat be one that will last 20+ years, needs to place emphasize on "matching the equipment to the mission".
Otherwise, this means that I not only would need to have the money to purchase my dream bassboat, but I also would need to have the money to replace it as soon as the warranty expires.
Obviously, the top professional anglers have to approach this problem "professionally". And, they do.

I think what I need in my ole 363V Ranger is a replacement lower end (for my engine) that has two(2) forward speeds.

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Re: Power Head blown... objective opinions please [Re: JFB] #9141517 07/18/13 04:49 PM
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My next one may have a honda

Re: Power Head blown... objective opinions please [Re: JFB] #9141624 07/18/13 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted By: JFB

I'm also learning that neither engine like to idle at slow speeds. I sure wish I knew that before I side scanned a huge lake.. I just wonder if that did my engine in? I suppose know way to know what causes it.

Thoughts from anyone in the know?



That is the problem with putting a 4 stroke on a bass boat. 4 stroke engines are not designed to sit around at idle. They need to be at high RPM's. Everyone with a SHO should be running them hard.

Re: Power Head blown... objective opinions please [Re: BMCD] #9142078 07/18/13 06:57 PM
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Why in the ell can I not buy a 50- 75 k motor/ boat and just have the thing work like a car of similar value? No break in, just turn it on a it goes, idles well, goes fast, goes slow, just goes and no worries...
Seems to me this should be the standard for all brands.


Run your car like you run your boat motor, 4500K+ Rpms majority of the time. Add to that remove the tranny, direct link to the motor. And spray water on the motor every time you stop.

Once you have done this for 200 hrs then come back to me and ask the same question.

Also understand more cars are made in a month then outboards sold in a year. lots more money spent in R&D when it comes to Autos.


Ok I guess that makes sense. Just wishful thinking.

Re: Power Head blown... objective opinions please [Re: Chad711] #9142619 07/18/13 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted By: Chad711
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That is the problem with putting a 4 stroke on a bass boat. 4 stroke engines are not designed to sit around at idle. They need to be at high RPM's. Everyone with a SHO should be running them hard.


That seems totally bassackwards to me. 4 strokes typically dont turn the RPMs that 2 strokes turn.

Re: Power Head blown... objective opinions please [Re: JFB] #9142725 07/18/13 09:53 PM
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I like my Promax 225X...runs great from 0 to 6800 RPM's.

Re: Power Head blown... objective opinions please [Re: Von] #9142776 07/18/13 10:06 PM
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That is the problem with putting a 4 stroke on a bass boat. 4 stroke engines are not designed to sit around at idle. They need to be at high RPM's. Everyone with a SHO should be running them hard.


That seems totally bassackwards to me. 4 strokes typically dont turn the RPMs that 2 strokes turn.

Until variable cam/valve timing is introduced into 4stroke bass boat outboards, they will not like extended idling. Kinda how a "hot rod" car engine isnt meant to idle much, it is built to have all of its power at a higher rpm range. The SHO is just a hot rod v6 engine.

Re: Power Head blown... objective opinions please [Re: Von] #9142910 07/18/13 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted By: Von
[quote=Chad711][quote=JF



That is the problem with putting a 4 stroke on a bass boat. 4 stroke engines are not designed to sit around at idle. They need to be at high RPM's. Everyone with a SHO should be running them hard.


That seems totally bassackwards to me. 4 strokes typically dont turn the RPMs that 2 strokes turn.



Hence the name SHO "Super High Output" the Yamaha Rep told me that engine is built to run WOT all the time it doesn't hurt it a bit

Re: Power Head blown... objective opinions please [Re: JFB] #9142986 07/18/13 11:11 PM
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4 strokes ARE designed to idle. Ask any cop car that spends 80% of its life idling with the A/C on all day. 4 strokes Don't like high rpm's. Many parts are getting slung around and valve springs are taking a massive beating. 2 stokes don't like to idle because the crank case loads up with fuel. That's why (2 stroke) dirt bikes are constantly revving their engines at the starting gate to clear them out.

Please don't just make up your facts as you go.



Re: Power Head blown... objective opinions please [Re: Mike Zachary] #9143216 07/19/13 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mike Zachary
It would be interesting to know if there is a relation to blown engines and guys that unload by themselves. I know I have had to get on the throttle kinda hard to get the boat off the trailer and it wasn't warmed up.


I don't think so.....mine is original and untampered with from 1997..... 100 days a year with 80 of those alone......and I goose the [censored] outa mine to get it unloaded


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Re: Power Head blown... objective opinions please [Re: JFB] #9143733 07/19/13 02:42 AM
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I have had an Optimax Pro XS for 3 years now. Idled and have ran hard in cold and hot conditions, I have always put no ethanal gas and stabil in it. Haven't had a problem yet. Have a friend that has a SHO and he has already blown a power head, but he doesn't treat his fuel. So take it for what it is worth.

Re: Power Head blown... objective opinions please [Re: JFB] #9143829 07/19/13 03:13 AM
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They don't build them to last anymore. There's no money if people don't buy new motors so don't build motors that last. They've got you from the get go. There are more people than ever trading up right before warranty runs out than I've ever seen. And yes, all those warranty power heads and pros motors come straight out of our pockets. No way a small block v6 with a modified rearend(gearcase) is worth 16k. There's a couple thousand in there for warranty work. This is all pointless anyway because the government is going to shove ethanol down our throats till the motors we have now can't take it.

Re: Power Head blown... objective opinions please [Re: JFB] #9143849 07/19/13 03:21 AM
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I'm thinking about getting a newer boat.....bigger......but it will have an older motor put on it.....because I am not going to be on the opti-sho-etec warranty hostage list.....


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