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Method consistency #8930097 05/14/13 12:01 PM
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I have ran into a problem recently and not quite sure what is going on.

I use a very common method mix, many on here use the same or a close variation to it.

The mix is 1 large can of quaker old fashioned oats, 1 small can of quick 5 minute grits, 2 cans of cream corn and about 1/2 can of lake water.

now normaly this combo binds great and I have not had any issues but lately my methos is grainy in texture and does not hold well on the lead, I was fishing next to chris last weekend, now he was using the same mix accept the only difference was my oats come in bulk 10 lb boxes and his is the straight large can, I use a can to measure my oats out so thats not the problem, so the only difference is the brand of cream corn.

Would cream corn change the consistency and texture of the method?



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Re: Method consistency [Re: Stephen Clark] #8930576 05/14/13 02:23 PM
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i think its either the corn or those oats, your was whole grain something while mine was cheap store brand [censored] lol. we used the same grits. maybe you should switch buckets rolfmao


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Re: Method consistency [Re: buffaloman chris] #8930600 05/14/13 02:29 PM
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Re: Method consistency [Re: Stephen Clark] #8930823 05/14/13 03:33 PM
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Get rid of the grits. They are unneeded and just jack up the cost of your mix for no reason, plus the fact that they don't soak up much water and can break a mix too fast. Oats will break on their own, simple as 1 large can(2.5lbs) of oats, 2 cans of cream corn, and 2-4 cap fulls of hutchinson flavor. Mix the oats with one can of cream corn well, then dump half of the second can into your mix and drop the flavor in to the other half of the corn still in the can. Stir it and mix it with the rest then mix everything well. Drop the top on it and leave it to soak the liquid up for 10 or 15 minutes, maybe adding a small amount of lake water if it soaks up too much. Most of the cause of that is that the oats were pressurized more when they were rolled and take a bit more liquid to soak up. Try that and if it doesn't work, mix in half a pound of regular breadcrumb with the same mix or just chuck them.


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I agree, the grits arent needed, I stopped using grits last year in my mix and was still satisfied and confident in the outcome.


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Re: Method consistency [Re: Stephen Clark] #8930980 05/14/13 04:27 PM
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This was a question and not a plead for a new method.

"Would cream corn change the consistency and texture of the method?" meaning would different brands have different results, please stay on topic



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Re: Method consistency [Re: Stephen Clark] #8931047 05/14/13 04:44 PM
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No the brand isn't going to matter, I have used a lot of different brand oats and cream corn and have never had an issue. It was probably something you may have done wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if most cream corn came from the same manufacturer with different "brand" labels.


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Re: Method consistency [Re: Stephen Clark] #8931208 05/14/13 05:17 PM
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i have noticed different consistencies in different cream corn brand. heb brand is great so is el monte and others but you can tell the difference IMO


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Re: Method consistency [Re: Stephen Clark] #8931286 05/14/13 05:33 PM
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i use the cheapet old fashond oat, grits,cream corn i can find and my mix comes out smooth and packs great. when steve made his mix this past saturday, it was like you poured in sand. and it wouldnt pack. the only difference between us that i saw was his oats. he had quacker whole grain old fashind oats, while mine was just old fashind great value oats.

i think its a oats thing.


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Re: Method consistency [Re: Stephen Clark] #8931335 05/14/13 05:41 PM
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The oats from quaker come in whole grain only, always has and it is what I have used for 4 years, the only thing different is the corn, my wife has been buying it at the 99 cent store lol, I believe the liquid might be thinner or perhaps thicker in consistency and is caussing the oats not to adsorb it correctly, this saturday at WR I will have a better brand of corn.

On a side note not all cream corn is the same, if it was people would not be paying a higher price for green Giant or other higher quality brands when they can go to the 99c store instead for the same thing.



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Re: Method consistency [Re: Stephen Clark] #8931444 05/14/13 06:09 PM
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I didnt say they were all they same Steve, I said I wouldnt be surprised to see if most were manufactured by the same company, like millions of off brand. Many corporate giants produce the "99 cent" store products and slap a dollor general laebel on it bc they know people are cheap. Its all about where you finances are but most of the money goes to the same place wether its off brand or not. There are plenty of researches you can do if you dont believe me.

Just a little side note for you.

Make your own comparrisons next time you are at the store, you will find little to Zero difference,.
And bc corn provides no real nutritional value to us, green giant is making a killing on the market.

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Re: Method consistency [Re: Stephen Clark] #8931514 05/14/13 06:31 PM
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there seems to be quite a few items added to make it cream corn, Companies like Del Monte add milk to their corn while others will not, (most likely dollar stores) and some add additional spices to the corn, so it comes down to which one works in our method best? Apparently not my 99c store bought garbage.

Not trying to stir anything up Jeff just trying to figure out why my mix has changed recently, nothing more and it seems the only thing I have changed it the corn.

When I posted this I was hoping someone would pop in who had the same problem and had figured out what the problem was.



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I know and I said I have tried many different oats and creamed corn and have never had a problem. I did a lot of experimenting last year, trying walmart brands family dollar brands whole food brands and never saw a difference enough to cause the issue you are having. I dont add water to my mix eiyher though. 1 can oats 2 can CC and whatever flavor.


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