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Re: is their any grass in canyon lake ? [Re: fatgirls1982] #8800728 04/08/13 03:40 AM
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You guys! It is what is! If you are going to fish Canyon,
It is very clear, lots of lake fleas. There are a lot of fish
to be caught though. Barry Stokes, Fox Southwest was catching
the heck out of bass on TV. You have to study!

Re: is their any grass in canyon lake ? [Re: fatgirls1982] #8800941 04/08/13 06:44 AM
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Thats correct chascat the problem is very few fishermen know how to fish a clear water lake such as Canyon. You may not have the big Hogs in this lake, but every now and then one of good size is hooked. Plenty of fish to be caught which gives you a fun day of fishing. fish

Re: is their any grass in canyon lake ? [Re: fatgirls1982] #8800990 04/08/13 10:01 AM
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Eh, obviously opinions arent going to change here so i wont waste the time. Besides, as [censored] as hydrilla would be, zebra mussels would be far worse for canyon since most of the lake is hard surface. But to clear up assumptions, Im not some rich lakeside property owner, nor do i really give a flip about lakeside property owners, i have been to canyon lake and ive done multiple dives in canyon lake, also ive seen multiple 8lb+ bass while diving so if yall bass fishermen would stop crying about lack of vegetation and spend more time learning the lake then maybe you could catch a few of them, ive seen a couple 8lb+ bass hanging off of sunken logs multiple times. I fish mainly for catfish but occasionally get in the mood to catch other species, ive helped in multiple field studies for dissertations on invasive species, its not like ive just read about it and thats it. Most of the "the lake fixed itself" or "nature sorted it all out" mentallity is a bit insulting to TPWD and the army corps of engineers who do a ton of work to maintain our lakes ecosystems, most of which people never see or notice them doing it. Most lakes are surveyed at least once a year with a recommended action plan.

Re: is their any grass in canyon lake ? [Re: ebk06] #8801045 04/08/13 11:00 AM
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+1 cant agree more
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To each their own on opinions, but im majoring in aquatic bio and we have spent a lot of time studying hydrilla but before you guys get too full of the "it helps my bass" mentality, use google to do a bit of research. heres a fun page for starters http://www.kerrlakeguide.com/node/348

it may be good for the first 5-10 years but the first major dip in water level (like the kind lake travis is experiencing now) would most likely cause a surge in the hydrilla population, which would mean oxygen depletion(plants only release oxygen during the day, at night they release CO2 just as fish do), algea blooms and most like large fish kills on top of the drought fish kills. seriously, screwing over a lakes fishery for future generations isnt worth "the glory days" of some of these lakes yall are referencing.


So let me get this right.......you've read a bunch of reports on aquatic bio and are majoring in it. Suddenly you have all this knowledge right? Wrong, we go through this all the time at work with new engineers coming out of UT or A&M or any number of big name universities from around the country. They studied something in school and they think they know everything. Well, they don't.
Neither do you, what you "know" is info from a report that some random joe schmoe wrote down and published on a local website. That person likely has his/her own agenda and the research is sponsored by some "group" wanting the research to go in their favor. So what do you think the conclusion will be?
Now you got two guys (hogginhank and jimbo) with a combined amount of 96 years first hand experience with grasses in lakes telling you all that fancy research is basically wrong. Hogginhank even has first hand experience with it on Canyon Lake. Now you're gonna sit here and try and feed everyone this "grass in lake is bad" bit. Gimme a break kid. Is that why TPWD is now hosting carp tournaments on Conroe,cause they ruined the grass and the fishing? How about Stillhouse where the floods wiped out the grass? At one time that lake was taking 35-40lb sacks to place in a tourament. Now you're lucky to catch a 5lber. By your thinking, with the grass gone they missed the 5-10 year window where grass would quit improving things and begin a decline in lake quality, right? So fishing should be even BETTER on Stillhouse, because they missed that window. Yet it has dramatically decreased. But hey its in a report, so maybe the caliber of fisherman has dwindled?
Argue all you want, its clear to anyone that grass is good. TPWD is in the process of killing all the grass in Lake Austin. We have had a record number fo share a lunkers pulled from there in the last two years. Make note, once that grass is gone that lake will be [censored]. No more big fish, no more clear water to please the lake front property owners, no more revenue for the city parks due to both of these things. Head down to Florida too. Theres lakes all over that have been covered with grass for a lot longer than 10 years and they produce monster bass still.
And the whole CO2 bit.....explain why I can catch bass in the grass at night. A fish won't sit in low oxygen water for long. With the amount of grass on some of these lakes it should be offgassing above the water surface. That would make some of the lakes deadly to be on at night. If it does offgas CO2 its in minute levels that effect nothing.
A word of advice before you leave college for the real world. First hand experience trumps book knowledge everytime.......everytime. Don't enter your first job with a know it all attitude, it impresses no one.

Re: is their any grass in canyon lake ? [Re: bobcatfisher] #8801120 04/08/13 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted By: bobcatfisher
Eh, obviously opinions arent going to change here so i wont waste the time. Besides, as [censored] as hydrilla would be, zebra mussels would be far worse for canyon since most of the lake is hard surface. But to clear up assumptions, Im not some rich lakeside property owner, nor do i really give a flip about lakeside property owners, i have been to canyon lake and ive done multiple dives in canyon lake, also ive seen multiple 8lb+ bass while diving so if yall bass fishermen would stop crying about lack of vegetation and spend more time learning the lake then maybe you could catch a few of them, ive seen a couple 8lb+ bass hanging off of sunken logs multiple times. I fish mainly for catfish but occasionally get in the mood to catch other species, ive helped in multiple field studies for dissertations on invasive species, its not like ive just read about it and thats it. Most of the "the lake fixed itself" or "nature sorted it all out" mentallity is a bit insulting to TPWD and the army corps of engineers who do a ton of work to maintain our lakes ecosystems, most of which people never see or notice them doing it. Most lakes are surveyed at least once a year with a recommended action plan.

Thats pretty much the response I expected. Once you've been in the real world for 10 years revisit this post and have a good laugh.
My arguement wasnt about fish quality but lakes ecosystems. Obviously if lakes full of grass had terrible ecosystems it would have a major impact on fish of all species. Yet its clear that the opposite is true. I have yet to see a lake "die" because of grass in it. There are however multiple lakes that turned to [censored] when TWPD introduced an invasive species (carp) to eat another invasive species (hydrilla). If you can explain that to me logically then I'll be more than happy to bow down gracefully. Until then a bunch of theories in a book mean jack to me.


Re: is their any grass in canyon lake ? [Re: ebk06] #8801414 04/08/13 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted By: ebk06

My arguement wasnt about fish quality but lakes ecosystems. Obviously if lakes full of grass had terrible ecosystems it would have a major impact on fish of all species. Yet its clear that the opposite is true. I have yet to see a lake "die" because of grass in it.


The quote above is the basis for the entire argument!

The OP was asking if there was any grass in Canyon Lake, and most of us who fish Canyon know that it will never be covered in grass as some other bodies of water, but the effect would be more possitive than negative, as observed over years of fishing lakes that have had vegetation present.
It doesn't change the fact that you still have to be able to do you're homework and learn how to fish a certain lake, which we all can agree on.

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Just one more cast!

Re: is their any grass in canyon lake ? [Re: fatgirls1982] #8803372 04/08/13 09:35 PM
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Jimbo you nailed it especially the part about homework and learning.


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Re: is their any grass in canyon lake ? [Re: fatgirls1982] #8803558 04/08/13 10:16 PM
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Ok so where are the cliff notes on Canyon? GPS #'s of those sunken logs with 8lbers is a good place for me to start learning, I live a bit too far away to make a bunch of trips learning the lake. hammer

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