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 Batteries with all the new boat accesories
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04/02/13 12:05 AM
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bassmaster Z 20
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Well finally took the plunge, two new HDS units w/sidescan and two power poles on the way. My question now, with the arerators running and all addition standard equipment will I have any dead battery issues. Seems like it will be pusing the starting battery pretty hard. Does anyone have any experience with everything running throughout the course of the day or any addional advice? Looking at some possible options if necessary.
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Re: Batteries with all the new boat accesories
[Re: bassmaster Z 20]
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04/02/13 02:40 AM
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Lou r Pitcher
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Years back I added a dedicated house electronics battery and have never regretted it.
I also installed a Perko like switch to emergency jump the new deep cycle house electronics battery and my true cranking battery(not a dual purpose) battery if ever needed, but it has never been needed. My motor has dual charging outputs for charging them when motor is running and I use an on-board charger for storage.
Batteries are lasting me for years instead of months.
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Re: Batteries with all the new boat accesories
[Re: bassmaster Z 20]
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04/02/13 12:55 PM
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Dayne
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I asked the same question last year on Bass Boat Central. I have an Optimax which takes lots of juice to start and run 2 hds with 2 lss boxes along with the aerator. My 1 year old cranker would not keep enough volts to keep the hds units from shutting off in the pm when I would start it up.
I was told the best on the market is the Sears Die Hard Platinum AGM with 1150 CCA. It cost about $250 and came with a 3 year hassle free warranty.
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Re: Batteries with all the new boat accesories
[Re: bassmaster Z 20]
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04/02/13 01:26 PM
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patriot07
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A battery is a battery. Everstart at wal-mart is $75. It'll run just fine. If you run electronics all day and rarely start the big motor, you might want to occasionally stick a charger on it. I've never had any issues, but it's easier to stick a charger on it once in a blue moon than to have issues next time out on the lake.
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Re: Batteries with all the new boat accesories
[Re: bassmaster Z 20]
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04/02/13 03:25 PM
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Lou r Pitcher
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Batteries are built in many variations and sizes and with different plate thicknesses and plate surface areas.
Some deep cycles can run my electronics for two days with 200+ RC, yet could never crank my motor more than a time or two or not even once.
Others can crank the motor many times over and over with their 1000+ CCAs , yet would be quite dead trying to run my electronics for even a 1/2 day.
Most are a compromise between the two designs.
The Sears is an Odyssey AGM and especially a strong hi amp cranking battery if given a true compatible AGM charger.
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Re: Batteries with all the new boat accesories
[Re: patriot07]
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04/02/13 04:18 PM
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Dayne
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A battery is a battery. Everstart at wal-mart is $75. It'll run just fine. If you run electronics all day and rarely start the big motor, you might want to occasionally stick a charger on it. I've never had any issues, but it's easier to stick a charger on it once in a blue moon than to have issues next time out on the lake. My battery that couldn't do the job was a 1000 CCA that got charged after every trip with a 3 bank charger. It just did not have enough strength to do the job of keeping enough volts to provide over ll volts to my Lowrance HDS units when cranking on cold days.
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Re: Batteries with all the new boat accesories
[Re: Dayne]
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04/02/13 06:47 PM
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bassmaster Z 20
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Well, certainly not enough room in the bilge to hook up a second battery for additional power. Guess I will have to see how it does. Maybe switch off the structure scan while not in use, if I put it on a seperate switch.
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Re: Batteries with all the new boat accesories
[Re: Dayne]
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04/03/13 02:41 AM
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Lou r Pitcher
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A battery is a battery. Everstart at wal-mart is $75. It'll run just fine. If you run electronics all day and rarely start the big motor, you might want to occasionally stick a charger on it. I've never had any issues, but it's easier to stick a charger on it once in a blue moon than to have issues next time out on the lake. My battery that couldn't do the job was a 1000 CCA that got charged after every trip with a 3 bank charger. It just did not have enough strength to do the job of keeping enough volts to provide over ll volts to my Lowrance HDS units when cranking on cold days. CCAs do nothing much to help run a Lowrance. They need RC minutes. More CCA amps is not bigger nor better. Find as many RC minutes ( about 200) and forget the CCA spec for the running electronics.
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Re: Batteries with all the new boat accesories
[Re: patriot07]
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04/04/13 12:05 AM
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Chris B
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A battery is a battery. Everstart at wal-mart is $75. It'll run just fine. If you run electronics all day and rarely start the big motor, you might want to occasionally stick a charger on it. I've never had any issues, but it's easier to stick a charger on it once in a blue moon than to have issues next time out on the lake. Not exactly. If you run a direct injection motor like the HPDI or the merc they require a 1000cca battery. Now add 2 HDS units, a Structure Scan unit, two livewells and a digital dash, you start losing voltage. Those HDS units will start restarting everytime you start the big motor. I have not tried the huge Sears battery yet, but i have tried the everstart and interstate starting battery and am still dealing with the graphs restarting later in the day.
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Re: Batteries with all the new boat accesories
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04/04/13 02:40 AM
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Dayne
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A battery is a battery. Everstart at wal-mart is $75. It'll run just fine. If you run electronics all day and rarely start the big motor, you might want to occasionally stick a charger on it. I've never had any issues, but it's easier to stick a charger on it once in a blue moon than to have issues next time out on the lake. Not exactly. If you run a direct injection motor like the HPDI or the merc they require a 1000cca battery. Now add 2 HDS units, a Structure Scan unit, two livewells and a digital dash, you start losing voltage. Those HDS units will start restarting everytime you start the big motor. I have not tried the huge Sears battery yet, but i have tried the everstart and interstate starting battery and am still dealing with the graphs restarting later in the day. That is exactly why I went for the 1150 CCAs. It keeps my hds and lss units from kicking off and still starts my 225 Optimax even in cold weather. Reserve amps are what I look at for trolling motor batteries not cranking batteries.
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Re: Batteries with all the new boat accesories
[Re: bassmaster Z 20]
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04/09/13 03:58 PM
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ChrisTexan
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I'm looking at separating them as well, my 'Rude 225 causes occassional graph restarts/stereo cutout/etc, as mentioned it's worse as the day progresses.
I'm considering a dedicated starting battery, and a supplemental smaller AGM "house" battery (20-40AH) with a battery isolator (already have that), so that when the start pulls low, the electronics don't see it, but both can charge when running the main motor.
Main motor (and supplemental) will still drain at the same (proportional) rate, but the electronics won't pull down on startup. If the main gets too weak, I can still rewire and jump from the trollers if needed.
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Re: Batteries with all the new boat accessories
[Re: ChrisTexan]
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04/10/13 08:19 PM
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Lou r Pitcher
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I'm looking at separating them as well, my 'Rude 225 causes occasional graph restarts/stereo cutout/etc, as mentioned it's worse as the day progresses.
I'm considering a dedicated starting battery, and a supplemental smaller AGM "house" battery (20-40AH) with a battery isolator (already have that), so that when the start pulls low, the electronics don't see it, but both can charge when running the main motor.
Main motor (and supplemental) will still drain at the same (proportional) rate, but the electronics won't pull down on startup. If the main gets too weak, I can still rewire and jump from the trollers if needed. Should be a good set-up. Unsure though why you want an isolator if on a ETEC 225 as it already has dual regulated 25 amp charging output capability. With an isolator, your house battery's recharging would slow down as most any discharged cranking battery can't make full use of the 50amps from the ETEC anyway.
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Re: Batteries with all the new boat accesories
[Re: bassmaster Z 20]
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04/10/13 10:46 PM
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Donegonefishin
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Had the same problems with an Interstate that came with my Z520. Even had to slave off the TM batteries a couple of times to start the motor. Going on three years now with the Sears PM-1 with no issues. ETEC 250, 2 HDS 10s, two PPs, LSS, and SonicHub.
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Re: Batteries with all the new boat accesories
[Re: bassmaster Z 20]
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04/11/13 01:36 PM
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Meadowlark
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If you run a lot of accessories, then the best solution is to install a Perko switch, install a second battery, and run all the accessories(except the trolling motor) off the second battery. Continue to run your trolling motor off its own dedicated battery(s).
This set up isn't expensive compared to one failure far from help.
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