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Re: Lakemaster vs. Navionics. UNimpressed with _____
[Re: dakicka]
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02/27/12 08:40 PM
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Chad711
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Lake list, if you click the link you will see bold names which are the HD maps: http://www.lakemap.com/documents/lakelists/2012/HB_TXOK2_LakeList.pdfArcadia, Oklahoma Coalgate City, Coal Copan, Washington Dave Boyer, Cotton Ellsworth, Comanche Eucha, Delaware Eufaula, Pittsburg Frederick, Tillman Grand, Delaware Hefner, Oklahoma Heyburn, Creek Hugo, Choctaw Hulah, Osage Jean Neustadt, Carter Lawtonka, Comanche Lloyd Church, Latimer Meeker, Lincoln Okemah, Okfuskee Oologah, Rogers Overholser, Oklahoma Perry, Noble Scott King, Carter Spavinaw, Mayes Stanley-Draper, Cleveland Thunderbird, Cleveland Wister, Le Flore Amistad (TX/Mexico), Val Verde Aquilla, Hill Arlington, Tarrant Arrowhead, Clay Athens, Henderson Austin, Travis Bardwell, Ellis Belton, Bell Benbrook, Tarrant Bob Sandlin, Titus Bonham, Fannin Brady Creek Res., McCulloch Bridgeport, Wise Buchanan, Burnet Calaveras, Bexar Canyon, Comal Cedar Creek Res., Henderson Cedar Creek Res., Fayette Champion Creek Res., Mitchell Cherokee, Rusk Choke Canyon, McMullen Coleman, Coleman Coleto Creek Res., Goliad Conroe, Montgomery Cooper, Delta Corpus Christi, Live Oak Crook, Lamar Cypress Springs, Franklin Eagle Mountain, Tarrant Fairfield Lake, Freestone Falcon (TX/Mexico), Val Verde Fork, Wood/Rains Gibbons Creek, Grimes Gladewater, Upshur Graham, Young Granbury, Hood Granger, Williamson Grapevine, Denton Greenbelt Lake, Donley Halbert, Navarro Hawkins, Wood Holbrook, Wood Houston, Harris Houston County, Houston Hubbard Creek, Stephens Hubert H. Moss, Cooke Inks, Llano Jacksonville, Cherokee JB Thomas, Borden/Scurry Joe Pool, Dallas Johnson Creek Res., Marion Kemp, Baylor Kickapoo, Archer Kurth, Angelina Lady Bird, Travis Lake of the Pines, Marion LBJ Res., Burnet Lavon, Collin Lewisville, Denton Limestone, Limestone Livingston, San Jacinto Mackenzie Reservoir, Briscoe Marble Falls, Burnet Martin, Rusk Medina, Bandera Meredith, Hutchinson Mexia, Limestone Millers Creek Res., Baylor Monticello, Titus Murvual, Panola Nacogodoches, Nacogodoches Navarro Mills, Navarro Nocona, Montague OH Ivie, Concho Palestine, Henderson Palo Pinto, Palo Pinto Pat Cleburne, Johnson Pat Mayse, Lamar Possom Kingdom, Palo Pinto Proctor, Comanche Quitman, Wood Ray Hubbard, Dallas Ray Roberts, Cooke/Denton Red Draw Lake, Howard Richland Chambers, Navarro Sam Rayburn, Many Counties Somerville, Burleson/Washington Squaw Creek, Hood/Somervell Stamford, Haskell Stillhouse Hollow, Bell Striker, Cherokee Tawakoni, Hunt Texana, Jackson Texoma (TX/OK), Grayson Toledo Bend, Sabine Tradinghouse Creek Res., McLennan Travis, Travis Twin Oak Res., Robertson Tyler, Smith Waco, McLennan Waxahachie, Ellis Weatherford, Parker Welsh, Titus White River, Crosby Whitney, Bosque/Hill Worth, Tarrant Wright Patman, Bowie Texas
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Re: Lakemaster vs. Navionics. UNimpressed with _____
[Re: dakicka]
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02/28/12 05:05 PM
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Navguy
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If I may add a few points.I am the South Central Sales Manager for Navionics. Navionics and Lakemaster both are mapping companies and are only as good as they information they are able to collect. If data does not exsist, then it is very difficult to map a map of a body of water. Yes, we can survey a lake, however it takes time and resources to get that done and it is not an overnight process.
Navionics developed the first digital map nearly 30 years ago and that is all we do is create maps, whether it be for your plotter, your phone, your tablet.
Now to differences. Coverage: Navionics south covers 12 states on one chart. In the south Lake Master has one chart for Texas Oklahoma, One for Florida Georgia and I understand coming with another for Louisiana Mississippi and Alabama. So 3 charts versus 1.
Updates: Navionics offer free unlimited updates to your chart for one year that you can do at your leisure from your home computer. As we find more data and make corrections you can get them through freshest data without waiting till the next version comes out. We have corrected and added over 100,000 items in just 9 months in the US. No other chart company offers this. If you want updates with everyone else you have to buy a new chart.
FreeComputer APP: With the purchase of a Navionics chart you receive a home computer application to install your region on your home computer to pre plan, transfer way points, routes, etc. This is free and no one else offers that.
Features: Navionics offers underwater structure in most lakes such as roadbeds, creek beds (minor and major) foundations, submerged ponds, submerged bridges and culverts and much more. The coast update program we did placed all the coastlines in their proper position and shape. All the boat docks are in the correct shape and location. As we find more we can add it through freshest data and you can get it through your free updates.
Lakes: Navionics has more HD lakes such as Falcon and Amistad (both Mexican and US side) Toledo Bend as well as many others. We are adding more lakes as we get data and again if we add a lake you will be able to get it through Freshest data updates without waiting and without buying a new chart.
In Texas and Oklahoma this is Navionics Lake List: Of these 136 are HD and in 1' contours. This is just OK. and TX so you can see the comparison to the Lakemaster chart. Do not forget there are 10 other states on the Navionics chart.
Oklahoma Altus Kiowa OK American Horse Blaine OK Arcadia Oklahoma OK Atoka Reservoir Atoka OK Broken Bow McCurtain OK Canton Blaine OK Carl Etling Cimarron OK Crowder Washita OK Dahlgren Cleveland OK Dripping Springs Okmulgee, Okfuskee OK Elmer Kingfisher OK Eucha Delaware OK Eufaula Haskell OK Evans Chambers Beaver OK Fort Cobb Reservoir Caddo OK Fort Gibson Wagoner OK Foss Reservoir Custer OK Frederick Tillman OK Grand Lake of the Cherokees Mayes OK Hall Harmon OK Hefner Oklahoma OK Heyburn Creek OK Hudson Mayes OK Hugo Pushmataha, Choctaw OK Hulah Osage OK Humphreys Stephens OK Jap Beaver Jefferson OK Kaw Kay, Osage OK Keystone Tulsa OK Konawa Seminole OK Lake of the Arbuckles Murray OK Langston Logan OK Lloyd Vincent Ellis OK Louis Burtschi Grady OK McGee Creek Bryan OK McMurtry Noble OK Murray Love, Carter OK Nanih Waiya Pushmataha OK Oologah Rogers, Nowata OK Optima Texas OK Overholser Canadian, Oklahoma OK Ozzie Cobb Pushmataha OK Pine Creek McCurtain OK Ponca Kay OK Raymond Gary Choctaw OK Robert S. Kerr Reservoir Sequoyah OK Sardis Latimer OK Schooler Choctaw OK Skiatook Osage OK Skipout Roger Mill OK Spavinaw Delaware, Mayes OK Stanley Draper Cleveland OK Taylor Grady OK Tenkiller Ferry Cherokee OK Texoma Bryan (OK), Marshall (OK), Love (TX), Grayson (TX), Cooke (TX) OK Thunderbird Cleveland OK Tom Steed Kiowa OK Vanderwork Washita OK Watonga Blaine OK Waurika Jefferson OK Webbers Falls Reservoir Muskogee OK Wister Le Flore OK Texas Alan Henry Reservoir Garza TX Alvarado Johnson TX Amistad Reservoir Val Verde TX Amon G. Carter Bowie TX Aquilla Hill TX Arlington Tarrant TX Arrowhead Clay TX Athens Henderson TX Austin Matagorda TX B. A. Steinhagen Jasper TX Barber Reservoir Mitchell TX Bardwell Ellis TX Bastrop Bastrop TX Belton Bell TX Benbrook Tarrant TX Bivins Randall TX Bob Sandlin Titus TX Boerne Kendall TX Bonham Fannin TX Brady Reservoir McCulloch TX Bridgeport Jack, Wise TX Brownwood Brown TX Buchanan Llano TX Buffalo Randall TX Caddo Caddo (LA), Marion (TX), Harrison (TX) TX Calaveras Bexar TX Canyon Comal TX Catharine Knox TX Cedar Creek Reservoir Henderson TX Champion Creek Mitchell TX Cherokee Gregg, Rusk TX Choke Canyon Reservoir McMullen TX Cisco Eastland TX Clyde Callahan TX Coleman Coleman TX Coleto Creek Cooling Pond Goliad TX Colorado City Mitchell TX Conroe Montgomery TX Cooper Delta TX Corpus Christi Live Oak, San Patricio, Jim Wells TX Crook Lamar TX Cypress Springs Franklin TX Davis Knox TX Dunlap Guadalupe TX E V Spence Reservoir Coke TX Eagle Mountain Wise, Tarrant TX Eddleson Young TX Electra Wilbarger TX Ellison Creek Reservoir (Lone Star) Morris TX Fairfield Freestone TX Falcon Reservoir Zapata, Starr TX Fayette County Reservoir Fayette TX Fork Reservoir Wood TX Fort Phantom Hill Jones TX Georgetown Williamson TX Gibbons Creek Reservoir Grimes TX Gladewater Upshur TX Gonzalez (Guadalupe River) Gonzales TX Graham Young TX Granbury Hood TX Granger Williamson TX Grapevine Denton, Tarrant TX Greenbelt Reservoir Donley TX Halbert Navarro TX Hawkins Wood TX Holbrook Wood TX Houston Harris TX Houston County Houston TX Hubbard Creek Reservoir Stephens TX Inks Lake Burnet TX J. B. Thomas Scurry TX Jacksonville Cherokee TX Joe Pool Dallas TX Johnson Creek Reservoir Marion TX Kemp Baylor TX Kickapoo Archer TX Kurth Angelina TX Laguna Madre Cameron TX Lake o' the Pines Marion TX Lavon Collin TX Lewisville Denton TX Limestone Limestone TX Livingston San Jacinto TX Lyndon B. Johnson Burnet TX Marble Falls Burnet TX Martin (Martin Creek) Rusk, Panola TX McQueeney Guadalupe TX Meadow (Guadalupe River) Guadalupe TX Medina Bandera, Medina TX Meredith Hutchinson TX Mexia Limestone TX Mill Creek Van Zandt TX Millers Creek Reservoir Baylor TX Monticello Titus TX Moss Cooke TX Murvaul Panola TX Nacogdoches Nacogdoches TX Nasworthy Tom Green TX Navarro Mills Navarro TX New Terrell City Kaufman TX Nocona Montague TX North Fork Buffalo Creek Reservoir (Buffalo Creek) Wichita TX O. C. Fisher Tom Green TX O. H. Ivie Reservoir Concho TX Oak Creek Reservoir Coke TX Palestine Anderson, Cherokee TX Palo Duro River Hamsford TX Pat Cleburne Johnson TX Pat Mayse Lamar TX Possum Kingdom Palo Pinto TX Proctor Comanche TX Quitman Wood TX Ray Hubbard Kaufman TX Ray Roberts Denton TX Richland-Chambers Reservoir Freestone TX Sabine Cameron (LA), Orange (TX), Jefferson (TX) TX Sabine River TX Sam Rayburn Reservoir Jasper TX Somerville Burleson, Lee, Washington TX Spring Hayes TX Squaw Creek Reservoir Somervell TX Stamford Haskell TX Stillhouse Hollow Bell TX Striker Rusk TX Sulpher Springs Hopkins TX Tawakoni Hunt TX Texana Jackson TX Texoma Bryan (OK), Marshall (OK), Love (TX), Grayson (TX), Cooke (TX) TX Toledo Bend Reservoir Sabine (LA), De Soto (LA), Shelby (TX), Sabine (TX), Newton (TX) TX Town Travis TX Tradinghouse Creek Reservoir McLennan TX Travis Travis TX Tule Creek (MacKenzie Reservoir) Briscoe TX Twin Buttes Reservoir Tom Green TX Tyler-East Smith TX Tyler-West Smith TX Victor Braunig Bexar TX Waco McLennan TX Walter E. Long Travis TX Waxahachie Ellis TX Weatherford Parker TX Welsh Reservoir Titus TX White River Reservoir Crosby TX Whitney Hill TX Wood (Guadalupe River) Gonzales TX Worth Tarrant TX Wright Patman Bowie, Cass TX UCG: User generated content. We are allowing you, our customers, to actually add features and information that you are willing to share with others through our mobile and PC applications. This data is loaded on the chart when you update it and is visable on the plotter with the flip of a switch. At this tiem Lowrance HDS gen 1-2 and Raymarine E series are the only plotters that have this feature however others are coming.
Sonor logs: We are capturing information from fishermen in all areas by them recording sonor logs for us and we will be able to refing maps and add information as we get this info.
I think you will see that Navionics is beign aggressive and on the cutting edge of getting you the most accurate and recent data available.
Feel free to contact me via PM if you have any quiestions.
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Re: Lakemaster vs. Navionics. UNimpressed with _____
[Re: dakicka]
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02/28/12 07:20 PM
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Shawn Mead
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Re: Lakemaster vs. Navionics. UNimpressed with _____
[Re: dakicka]
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02/28/12 08:44 PM
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rxkid2001
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In the higher end HB units you can put both chips in the unit. Why not just do that and switch between them, get the best of both worlds.
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Re: Lakemaster vs. Navionics. UNimpressed with _____
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02/28/12 08:51 PM
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Doug E. Fresh
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In the higher end HB units you can put both chips in the unit. Why not just do that and switch between them, get the best of both worlds. this is what I do, I use the Lakemaster on the "HD" lakes ,because IMO, it is superior to Navionics on these lakes , and I use Navionics on a lot of the non "HD" lakes. Honestly, if Navionics  wouldn't have put out a map with 20-30% of some of the lake (mapping) missing on a couple lakes I fish, I probably would not have a need to have any other chip. They both fill a need for me...
Last edited by Doug E. Fresh; 02/28/12 08:52 PM.
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Re: Lakemaster vs. Navionics. UNimpressed with _____
[Re: dakicka]
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02/28/12 09:33 PM
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Shawn Mead
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Re: Lakemaster vs. Navionics. UNimpressed with _____
[Re: Shawn Mead]
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02/28/12 10:16 PM
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Doug E. Fresh
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the ones I have found some of the mapping missing are Fork and T'wok. Not sure if there are anymore.
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Re: Lakemaster vs. Navionics. UNimpressed with _____
[Re: dakicka]
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02/29/12 12:04 AM
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woppercatcher
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"Updates: Navionics offer free unlimited updates to your chart for one year that you can do at your leisure from your home computer. As we find more data and make corrections you can get them through freshest data without waiting till the next version comes out. We have corrected and added over 100,000 items in just 9 months in the US. No other chart company offers this. If you want updates with everyone else you have to buy a new chart."
You only get free updates if you purchase specific cards and only after specific years. If you bought the Navionics hot maps card before it was not available anymore then no updates! And that card doesn't have any creek channels, roadbeds, tank dams and so on on the lakes I fish. Sure I get hd lakes and contour lines but that is about it and I paid almost $100 for that card. So now my only choice is to keep using that card or upgrade to the premium or platnum in order to get those updates. And I would bet my lakes still will not have any of the data mentioned. And yippie, free updates for a year. Wonder how many updates for all the lakes are available in that year. If you can put that data on your iPHone app then put it on the cards for all the lakes.
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Re: Lakemaster vs. Navionics. UNimpressed with _____
[Re: dakicka]
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02/29/12 12:23 AM
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Anyone know how much it is for an iphone?
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Re: Lakemaster vs. Navionics. UNimpressed with _____
[Re: Gravey Train]
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02/29/12 05:02 PM
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Chad711
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Anyone know how much it is for an iphone? $10 and read the reviews on it before you buy. Not worth it.
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Re: Lakemaster vs. Navionics. UNimpressed with _____
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02/29/12 10:09 PM
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Patriot, Yes, LakeMaster lets you adjust the map for the actual lake level, up or down. Depth labels and any highlighted depths you may have put in all change to the level you set it for.
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Re: Lakemaster vs. Navionics. UNimpressed with _____
[Re: dakicka]
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03/01/12 04:28 PM
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Doug E Fresh, I think if you look at our latest updates on Fork and Twakoni you will be impressed. We have added several new features and information in the update process. Another reason for getting Navionics, tha baility to update as we find more information.
Chad- why do you think the Mobile application is not worth the money? Have you persoanlly used it? I think you will find the app quite useful and informative. You get Navionics maps on your phone for the entire US for $9.99. You can put way points, routes, track your self, see interesting articles from leading magazines and writers for different areas of the country, actually place information on the app to share with other app users through our User Generated Content feature and the community layer. So for $9.99 it is a great value.
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Re: Lakemaster vs. Navionics. UNimpressed with _____
[Re: Navguy]
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03/01/12 05:25 PM
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Patriot, Yes, LakeMaster lets you adjust the map for the actual lake level, up or down. Depth labels and any highlighted depths you may have put in all change to the level you set it for. Interesting, did not know that. That's a very useful feature.
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Re: Lakemaster vs. Navionics. UNimpressed with _____
[Re: Chad711]
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03/21/12 05:00 AM
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Okay - I originaly bought the Navionics (permium south) maps because Lakemaster did not have the lake I fish the most, Lake Lavon. It is just 5 miles away. After I bought the Navionics, Lakemaster came out with an Update that seemed to almost double the number lakes it had for Texas and I bought it also.
Side by side, the Navionics seems great at first but if I were fishing primarily Texas and Oaklahoma and could only buy only one map chip, I would buy Lakemaster. It has some great fetures like being able to change the lake level and have the contour lines automatically adust the depth to match the change in the lake level. This was great in the drought Also you can highlight a depth range. If you highlight a range of 18 to 22 feet, it will make any humps between 18 to 22 feet under the water so that they jump out in red and are easy to see.
Right now I am not impressed with the Navionics PC APP and the download process to update the maps on the Navionics Map chip. They don't appear to be the most user friendly applications. The Navionics PC APP lacks clear instructions on how to use it The support for the PC App is very poor. The application is cheap but I think it needs a lot of development to make it user friendly.
I have a Humminbird plotter and I like the Lakemaster maps because of the features offered on the Humminbird for the Lakemaster Maps.
Also I have tried Lakemaster's Contour Elite trial version. This is Lakemaster's equivelant of Navionics PC App. It has great way point management and is very user friendly. I am interested to see how well it works when I get the full version since the trial version only has one lake, Green Lake in Minnisota. It is $100 more than the Navionics PC App but I am expecting it to be worth the money. I am also impress by Lakemaster's response to question about the software, even though I was only using the trial version.
I am glad that I have both the Navionics and the Lakemaster maps but unless Navionics improves their features and their online interfaces, I doubt that I will ever update my current Navionics maps.
I expect this to continue the battle between Lowrance and Humminbird. Humminbird owns Lakemaster and will cater to the Humminbird users and I feel that Navionics leans toward Lowrance. I bought Humminbird because I felt that Johnson Motors is user friendly. So far I have not been dissapointed.
Last edited by NLester; 03/21/12 05:03 AM.
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Re: Lakemaster vs. Navionics. UNimpressed with _____
[Re: Navguy]
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I sent you a PM earlier today!
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