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Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program
[Re: Ken A.]
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10/19/12 06:28 PM
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NoWeighers
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I find this post redundant.. If you have looked with an open mind at all the data, you know what the answer to all your questions are.. And you don't need to be a biologist to decypher it.
But one thing for you to consider..
Just because one is a fisheries biologist, and believe me that fisheries biologists have been around for a long time, does not mean that you know that the SL program will work.
When you go to fishieries biologist school, the first day of class the teacher does not stand up and say "you can grow a bigger bass by letting bigger bass bump uglies.."
You might learn that a bass is not a bass but a sunfish.. You will learn that Micropterus Salmoides is the scientific name for the largemouth bass..
You will learn that there are dozens of types of cyclids..
You will learn all kinds of names of fish and relations of fish and their habitat..
But nowhere will they tell you that you can grow a bigger bass by breeding bigger bass.
This is what is called an "experiment."
And you don't have to be a biologist to do an experiment or read collected data. You don't have to be a biologist to throw a couple of fish in a tank and see what happens..
The problem is that we never see what happens..
So don't tell me that they know any more about what the results from this "experiment" will be than you or I.
This is not covered in the manual..
So get back to work and let this thread die..
Last edited by NoWeighers; 10/19/12 06:31 PM.
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Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program
[Re: Ken A.]
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10/19/12 06:30 PM
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Troyz
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Sent a couple of emails to TPWD asking if the SAL program is totally funded by sponsor money of if part of the cost is paid by TX or with federal funds. Also ask what happened to all the SAL offspring from 1987 to 2005. According to TPWD records, 365 fish were turned in during that period. Should have been a lot of offspring to do something with.
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Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program
[Re: Ken A.]
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10/19/12 06:33 PM
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NoWeighers
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Good luck getting that 87-2005 info.. I been trying for years..
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Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program
[Re: Ken A.]
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10/19/12 06:45 PM
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txwhitetail
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Fishing tackle dealers aren't fisheries biologists either. Just fish story and gossip swappers.
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Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program
[Re: Ken A.]
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10/19/12 06:57 PM
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NoWeighers
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I'll leave the gossip to you..
Like you said.. Let professionals practice their trade..
James Bendele Falcon Lake Tackle "On the eighth day, Man invented the Fish Hook."
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Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program
[Re: NoWeighers]
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10/19/12 07:06 PM
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Texas Smoke
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I find this post redundant.. If you have looked with an open mind at all the data, you know what the answer to all your questions are.. And you don't need to be a biologist to decypher it.
But one thing for you to consider..
Just because one is a fisheries biologist, and believe me that fisheries biologists have been around for a long time, does not mean that you know that the SL program will work.
When you go to fishieries biologist school, the first day of class the teacher does not stand up and say "you can grow a bigger bass by letting bigger bass bump uglies.."
You might learn that a bass is not a bass but a sunfish.. You will learn that Micropterus Salmoides is the scientific name for the largemouth bass..
You will learn that there are dozens of types of cyclids..
You will learn all kinds of names of fish and relations of fish and their habitat..
But nowhere will they tell you that you can grow a bigger bass by breeding bigger bass.
This is what is called an "experiment."
And you don't have to be a biologist to do an experiment or read collected data. You don't have to be a biologist to throw a couple of fish in a tank and see what happens..
The problem is that we never see what happens..
So don't tell me that they know any more about what the results from this "experiment" will be than you or I.
This is not covered in the manual..
So get back to work and let this thread die..
Along these same lines, these "Fisheries Biologists" that everyone puts so much trust in are the same ones that introduced Walleye into Lake Conroe, Nothern Pike into Lake Austin and get this, Coho Salmon into Inks lake. Some of you guys don't get it. Fisheries Biologists are scientists. Scientists do experiments. Some succeed and some fail. So just because a guy is a fisheries biologist, it doesn't mean that EVERYTHING they ever do will be a success. Hell if you don't believe me, ask them. They will tell you the same. And if you don't believe them, go try to catch a Coho Salmon in Inks lake and tell me how it works out for you.
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Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program
[Re: Ken A.]
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10/19/12 07:22 PM
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Chasin Hogs
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This thread is pure comedy.
These name dropping know it alls have proved nothing other than the majority on here arent biologist.
Hello captain obvious.
Everything is pointin to the program not working 25 years into it. Not one post in the last years has anyone presented anything different.
Itll be ok. Its just how experiments go.
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Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program
[Re: Ken A.]
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10/19/12 07:33 PM
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fouzman
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As has already been stated, the info is there if you'll just do a little research.
"We feel that this selective breeding process results in the best possible genetics being returned to the lakes, increasing the chance of more trophy bass being produced in the future," explained Allen Forshage, director of TFFC. "Although these big females have no doubt spawned in years before they were caught, they did not necessarily mate with a pure Florida male. Everything we know about genetics tells us that the parents with the best genes produce the highest quality offspring. This is the scientific basis of our selective breeding program." Forshage also noted that the main purpose of stocking ShareLunker fingerlings is not to produce trophy fish for anglers to catch. "The reason we stock these fish, and the reason we want to use only pure Florida bass in the selective breeding program, is that we know Florida bass grow bigger and faster than native northern largemouths, and by stocking pure Florida fingerlings from trophy fish, we will have a greater impact on the genetics of the overall largemouth population in the lake," he said. "In addition, since fingerlings from different parents are mixed before being stocked, these stockings help to promote genetic diversity." TFFC also uses some of the ShareLunker offspring to produce broodfish for TPWD's regular largemouth bass stocking program, which annually stocks millions of fish into Texas public waters. "In this way we are introducing ShareLunker genetics into the general largemouth bass population," Forshage said.
Yes, SAL is a science-based experiment. Fortunately, it doesn't cost you or I a penny.
Coincidence is His way of remaining anonymous.
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Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program
[Re: Chasin Hogs]
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10/19/12 07:35 PM
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Texas Smoke
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These name dropping know it alls have proved nothing other than the majority on here arent biologist.
name dropping know-it-alls !! lol ... good one and very true.
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Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program
[Re: Ken A.]
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10/19/12 07:37 PM
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horseplaydvm
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Horseplaydvm would like to propose that we all speak in 3rd person for this thread like FZ1. He sees Cameron is in agreement. All others in agreement may proceed to keep this entertaining.
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Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program
[Re: NoWeighers]
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10/19/12 07:41 PM
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Douglas J
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I find this post redundant.. If you have looked with an open mind at all the data, you know what the answer to all your questions are.. And you don't need to be a biologist to decypher it.
But one thing for you to consider..
Just because one is a fisheries biologist, and believe me that fisheries biologists have been around for a long time, does not mean that you know that the SL program will work.
When you go to fishieries biologist school, the first day of class the teacher does not stand up and say "you can grow a bigger bass by letting bigger bass bump uglies.."
You might learn that a bass is not a bass but a sunfish.. You will learn that Micropterus Salmoides is the scientific name for the largemouth bass..
You will learn that there are dozens of types of cyclids..
You will learn all kinds of names of fish and relations of fish and their habitat..
But nowhere will they tell you that you can grow a bigger bass by breeding bigger bass.
This is what is called an "experiment."
And you don't have to be a biologist to do an experiment or read collected data. You don't have to be a biologist to throw a couple of fish in a tank and see what happens..
The problem is that we never see what happens..
So don't tell me that they know any more about what the results from this "experiment" will be than you or I.
This is not covered in the manual..
So get back to work and let this thread die..
Public forums are interesting, a lot of folks try tip toeing around expressing their true opinions and feelings because they never want to make anyone uncomfortable or "hurt" any feelings. Whether I agree or disagree with "NoWeighers" statements, props to you sir for your honesty!
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Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program
[Re: fouzman]
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10/19/12 07:43 PM
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Texas Smoke
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As has already been stated, the info is there if you'll just do a little research.
"We feel that this selective breeding process results in the best possible genetics being returned to the lakes, increasing the chance of more trophy bass being produced in the future," explained Allen Forshage, director of TFFC. "Although these big females have no doubt spawned in years before they were caught, they did not necessarily mate with a pure Florida male. Everything we know about genetics tells us that the parents with the best genes produce the highest quality offspring. This is the scientific basis of our selective breeding program." Forshage also noted that the main purpose of stocking ShareLunker fingerlings is not to produce trophy fish for anglers to catch. "The reason we stock these fish, and the reason we want to use only pure Florida bass in the selective breeding program, is that we know Florida bass grow bigger and faster than native northern largemouths, and by stocking pure Florida fingerlings from trophy fish, we will have a greater impact on the genetics of the overall largemouth population in the lake," he said. "In addition, since fingerlings from different parents are mixed before being stocked, these stockings help to promote genetic diversity." TFFC also uses some of the ShareLunker offspring to produce broodfish for TPWD's regular largemouth bass stocking program, which annually stocks millions of fish into Texas public waters. "In this way we are introducing ShareLunker genetics into the general largemouth bass population," Forshage said. Oh well hell why didn't this come up earlier. It would have solved everything. It's game, set and match if the guy who heads the program up is talking up the positives in print. Bam, the program works, nothing else needs to be said because the man in charge of it has already said it. Gee, I would have expected him to come out and say that it hasn't helped the population of big fish in 25 years and it hurts them more by displacing them and killing them than it helps by introducing such a small percentage of their genes into the gene pool.Still shocked that he was talking nothing but positives to the press. P.S. Now that he has cleared up this misconception, the press needs to ask him if the Northern Pike are biting in Lake Austin.
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Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program
[Re: Ken A.]
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10/19/12 07:48 PM
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mgid006
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I knew that was a Salmon, dang thing stole my dd22 !
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Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program
[Re: Ken A.]
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10/19/12 07:50 PM
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fouzman
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I didn't really read those comments as noting only the positives, Smoke. Just dispelling some misplaced rumors.
"It's a science based selective breeding program. "
"The purpose is NOT to grow bigger fish for anglers to catch" I keep hearing why aren't the fish bigger from a few of you, or where are the fish?
"SAL's are also used in the regular largemouth stocking program". Same few said they weren't.
The way I see it, none of us on here are experts. When someone tries to do research and cite the experts, they're name droppers.
There are three folks on this thread who are always negative and generally add nothing to the TFF. They act as though they're experts, yet offer nothing to back up their comments other than disagreeing with everyone and trolling for a reaction.
Must be hell to go through life with such a negative outlook.
Coincidence is His way of remaining anonymous.
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Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program
[Re: Ken A.]
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10/19/12 08:03 PM
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J.H.S.
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I have a question. If the program doesn't work to create bigger fish. How come when I was younger and fishing tournaments, if you caught a 20lb sack you would be in the contention to win, and now it takes 30+ most of the time? Just curious. You guys all act like the program should make 15lbers jump in your boat, but what about the overall fish quality that we have seen spike in recent years?
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