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Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program [Re: Ken A.] #8127438 10/18/12 07:15 PM
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The stocking of the Florida strain into TX lakes has been a huge success. After 25+ years, the SAL program has produced inconclusive results. A big question remains as to why it took almost twenty years before any SAL fish were stocked in public lakes?

There is no question that Genetic Breeding works but that is not a guarantee that all Genetic Breeding programs work to provide the desired or expected results. And before anyone starts, no I am not a biologist, I do not have a degree in any type of fisheries management. It does seem pretty clear tho, that after 25+ years of the SAL program certain other aspects need to be considered. Maybe a closer look at water quality, cover an structure for the fish, and very important would be the quality of the food supply for the fish. (Sorta like spending a lot of time at the gym working with weights. Without the proper diet the results are going to be a lot less).

Also if genetics is truly the answer, maybe it is time to consider raising the bar. Maybe 13+ is the not the size of fish needed any more. Maybe the program should be restructured to be for fish only 14+ or 15+. Why limit the program to only certain months of the year. I know the idea is to have the fish spawn in captivity but why not take a fish that is SAL size caught in May or June (or when ever) and put that fish on a special diet that would help ensure healthier/more offspring?

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Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program [Re: Ken A.] #8127443 10/18/12 07:15 PM
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I like the trout idea. How many fish go through dams when they generate ? How does action affect fish ?

Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program [Re: Troyz] #8127464 10/18/12 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted By: Troyz
Why limit the program to only certain months of the year. I know the idea is to have the fish spawn in captivity but why not take a fish that is SAL size caught in May or June (or when ever) and put that fish on a special diet that would help ensure healthier/more offspring?


Two reasons. Increased fish mortality in warmer months. It costs LOTS of money to feed BIG bass. Money TPWD doesn't have.


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Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program [Re: Ken A.] #8127465 10/18/12 07:21 PM
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CA....10 or more 20+lb fish

TX...none at or above 20 lbs.

trout are the key.

Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program [Re: Ken A.] #8127467 10/18/12 07:21 PM
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I'd just like to jump in here and say THANK YOU TPWD for all you do for our lakes! Texas is home to some of the best fisheries in the world thanks to their efforts. I support whatever TPWD decides to do, including the SAL program. thumb


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Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program [Re: Ken A.] #8127477 10/18/12 07:23 PM
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Does anyone have any idea of the percent of SAL eggs that actually hatch?
As mentioned a thirteen pound fish is basically a old lady. So what percent of there eggs are fertile and make it to fry?
It seems the best egg's would come from more fertile fish ( smaller fish) but that would mean less attention would be given to these catches and the state would lose Marketing dollars associated with the Sal program.
In the end, the Sal program is about attracting Angelers and selling licenses.
If it was just about spreading genetics they would just have there crop of breeder fish that hold capable genetics and would spread there fry across every lake. There would be no dog and pony show of going to pick up fish and yada,yada,yada.
It's all about marketing. That's it....


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Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program [Re: Ken A.] #8127480 10/18/12 07:23 PM
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1. No one here knows for a fact either way if the SAL program is "working" or not. There are too many variables. We can guess, but that's all it is, a guess.

2. As others have stated, its your fish, do what you want with it. It doesnt matter if you want to use a barbless hook and not lift the fish out of the water, and wear rubber gloves before you touch it, or if you want to pull it out, drop kick it to bottom of your boat, and leave it there for an hour. If the fish is legal it is yours to do what you want with.

3. There is no proof to many of the statements made. There is no proof more fish die after being turned in than turned loose. There is no proof that more of the eggs in the lake make it to fingerling size if the fish is left there than the number of fingerlings put in the lake later on. There is no proof that the decline in 15 lbers has any more relation to the SAL program than the 100 other variables that could cause a decline. There is also no proof that the program has caused an increase in fish size.



I have turned one in, and I have also not turned one in. I dont regret either decision. I feel blessed to have the opportunity to make those choices. People should be free to do what they want. If you get the opportunity yourself, do not feel like any of these post are telling the whole story. These post are a bunch of people giving information that is such a small percentage of the entire set of variables, that they hold no weight in determining the future of bass fishing in Texas.

Decide what you want when your chance comes. If the free replica, banquet, apparel, publicity is something you would like, then turn the fish in.

If you would feel better putting the fish back in the water, do that instead.



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Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program [Re: buda13] #8127486 10/18/12 07:24 PM
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I'd just like to jump in here and say THANK YOU TPWD for all you do for our lakes! Texas is home to some of the best fisheries in the world thanks to their efforts. I support whatever TPWD decides to do, including the SAL program. thumb
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Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program [Re: TTU_fisherman] #8127498 10/18/12 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted By: TTU_fisherman
1. No one here knows for a fact either way if the SAL program is "working" or not. There are too many variables. We can guess, but that's all it is, a guess.

2. As others have stated, its your fish, do what you want with it. It doesnt matter if you want to use a barbless hook and not lift the fish out of the water, and wear rubber gloves before you touch it, or if you want to pull it out, drop kick it to bottom of your boat, and leave it there for an hour. If the fish is legal it is yours to do what you want with.

3. There is no proof to many of the statements made. There is no proof more fish die after being turned in than turned loose. There is no proof that more of the eggs in the lake make it to fingerling size if the fish is left there than the number of fingerlings put in the lake later on. There is no proof that the decline in 15 lbers has any more relation to the SAL program than the 100 other variables that could cause a decline. There is also no proof that the program has caused an increase in fish size.



I have turned one in, and I have also not turned one in. I dont regret either decision. I feel blessed to have the opportunity to make those choices. People should be free to do what they want. If you get the opportunity yourself, do not feel like any of these post are telling the whole story. These post are a bunch of people giving information that is such a small percentage of the entire set of variables, that they hold no weight in determining the future of bass fishing in Texas.

Decide what you want when your chance comes. If the free replica, banquet, apparel, publicity is something you would like, then turn the fish in.

If you would feel better putting the fish back in the water, do that instead.
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Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program [Re: Poetfury] #8127499 10/18/12 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted By: Poetfury
CA....10 or more 20+lb fish

TX...none at or above 20 lbs.

trout are the key.


A lot of that will be slowing down or coming to an end since thy are limiting or stoping all together the trout stockings Looks like the tree huggers are winning the battle over non native species

One reason the trout thing will not work here are the size of the lakes and the temps are too high for the fish to survive year round


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Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program [Re: Ken A.] #8127503 10/18/12 07:29 PM
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All that environment stuff is part of another issue. The point is a genetically enhanced bass- at least to me anyway. That fish would grow bigger than another bass given the same environment. That enhanced brand of bass is what I would like to see- still in the works.

Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program [Re: fouzman] #8127507 10/18/12 07:30 PM
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Why limit the program to only certain months of the year. I know the idea is to have the fish spawn in captivity but why not take a fish that is SAL size caught in May or June (or when ever) and put that fish on a special diet that would help ensure healthier/more offspring?


Two reasons. Increased fish mortality in warmer months. It costs LOTS of money to feed BIG bass. Money TPWD doesn't have.


I understand the fish mortality part could be an issue to consider although I believe the way the fish are handled are the real problem with the mortality and not sure if the warm water aspect would add to it. I don't see cost as an issue. I keep hearing that SAL is funded by Sponsors and does not cost the state or TPWD anything. Is this not the case?

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Why limit the program to only certain months of the year. I know the idea is to have the fish spawn in captivity but why not take a fish that is SAL size caught in May or June (or when ever) and put that fish on a special diet that would help ensure healthier/more offspring?


Two reasons. Increased fish mortality in warmer months. It costs LOTS of money to feed BIG bass. Money TPWD doesn't have.


I understand the fish mortality part could be an issue to consider although I believe the way the fish are handled are the real problem with the mortality and not sure if the warm water aspect would add to it. I don't see cost as an issue. I keep hearing that SAL is funded by Sponsors and does not cost the state or TPWD anything. Is this not the case?
Higher water temperatures = Higher mortality. That is a fact.

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Why limit the program to only certain months of the year. I know the idea is to have the fish spawn in captivity but why not take a fish that is SAL size caught in May or June (or when ever) and put that fish on a special diet that would help ensure healthier/more offspring?


Two reasons. Increased fish mortality in warmer months. It costs LOTS of money to feed BIG bass. Money TPWD doesn't have.


I understand the fish mortality part could be an issue to consider although I believe the way the fish are handled are the real problem with the mortality and not sure if the warm water aspect would add to it. I don't see cost as an issue. I keep hearing that SAL is funded by Sponsors and does not cost the state or TPWD anything. Is this not the case?


I know the program has private funding, but I think saying it doesn't cost TPWD anything would be inaccurate.

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Re: Florida Bass in Texas and the SAL Program [Re: T54] #8127576 10/18/12 07:46 PM
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So which is it? Privately funded or partially privately funded? Have we been misled all these years when we have been told it is not funded by the State?

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