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 Re: Petition to re-open Squaw Creek Reservoir
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05/27/06 08:23 PM
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why not all block the roads?
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Re: Petition to re-open Squaw Creek Reservoir
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05/27/06 09:01 PM
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Re: Petition to re-open Squaw Creek Reservoir
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05/27/06 10:58 PM
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Re: Petition to re-open Squaw Creek Reservoir
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05/27/06 11:57 PM
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Re: Petition to re-open Squaw Creek Reservoir
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05/28/06 12:15 AM
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Originally posted by CapnJoe: Originally posted by badkarma: [b] Originally posted by CapnJoe:
[b] Here we go again. I don't know why I'm getting involved, but I suppose it's to save you guys from some aggravation and disappointment.
SQUAW CREEK IS A PRIVATE LAKE. There is no way to force TXU to reopen it any more than the TPWD could force me to open my private pond to the public.
The issue with the fish stocking, IMO, is moot. The most that could ever happen would be some judge would require TXU to pay for the fish. It would not be a lot of money anyway, and we would all contribute the next time we turned a light on. So in effect we would pay for the fish twice. In any case, using prior fish stockings as a lever will not succeed in forcing TXU to let us fish there again. In my opinion, following this line of thought is the same as saying, "yeah....they're reaming us, but there's nothing we can do about it, so we may as well let 'em do it." [/b]
TXU owns the lake, and the TPWD has no power to force them to reopen it for us. So why are we making this a TPWD issue?
The only way we ever get back on Squaw Creek is if TXU decides to let us. Nobody can tell them what to do with their property anymore than they can tell us what to do with ours.
I respect what y'all are trying to do here, but I think the bullseye has been painted on the wrong target. And I don't think anybody is getting 'reamed', this is a basic issue over a corporation's decision of how to use their property. TXU has done nothing wrong, any more than any other private landowner who chooses not to let us fish on their lake.
If you want to fish in my pond, you should find a way to develop a relationship with me and hope for an invite. I guarantee you if you started attacking me with a petition claiming I had done something illegal you would never get your boat wet in my water.
The State of Texas paid to stock Squaw Creek. I do not doubt that fact. The ASCS still provides funding to private landowners who build ponds. But the fact that goverment funding went towards building those ponds in no way means that us taxpayers have any right to fish them. That decision is left up to the landowner. The same applies to TXU and Squaw Creek.
Nobody was protesting back when Squaw Creek was open to the public and TWPD was stocking it, were they? There were no idealistic petitions going on about using public funds to stock private waters then. We assumed that TXU would continue to let us fish there. We all looked the other way. Now that we don't get the benefit of what we are now saying was not a proper use of our money, we want to be two faced about it and holler 'foul' in an effort to force some type of change. The real mistake was made back in the '90s, but a lot of us got to enjoy some great fishing, didn't we? [/b]I'll be really honest about this. I couldn't care less about having TXU open Squaw Creek again. What I don't want to see is public funds being used to stock a private lake. THAT really steams me.  I respect private property rights and I respect TXU to manage their property any way they see fit. What I can't handle is when PUBLIC resources are, for all practical purposes, GIVEN to a private intity like TXU. I suspect it happens more times than we like to think about. When TXU closed the lake, the fish should have been removed. It's as simple as that. The fish belonged to the people of Texas....not a bunch of fat-cats at TXU who wanted their own private fishing hole.
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Re: Petition to re-open Squaw Creek Reservoir
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05/28/06 01:57 AM
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Re: Petition to re-open Squaw Creek Reservoir
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05/28/06 03:41 AM
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Badkarma,
your signiture quote by Ronald Reagan, is a perfect example of this issue.
Jayingrapevine knew so much that isn't so.
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Re: Petition to re-open Squaw Creek Reservoir
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05/28/06 03:49 AM
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badkarma
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Originally posted by sns 171:
Badkarma,
your signiture quote by Ronald Reagan, is a perfect example of this issue.
Jayingrapevine knew so much that isn't so. Your point has been made. Some questions: Is Squaw Creek a privately owned lake? yes. Has the TPW ever used public funds to stock this lake? I would assume yes. Is the lake now closed? Obviously yes. THEN GIVE THE FISH IN THE LAKE BACK TO THEIR RIGHTFUL OWNERS....THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. TPW should be allowed to go in and use whatever means at their disposal to remove the fish. They should be then placed in public waters. As an alternative, TXU should pay TPW for the fish. The lake may belong to TXU, but the fish don't.
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Re: Petition to re-open Squaw Creek Reservoir
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05/28/06 04:15 AM
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I have some questions. First, has anyone actually read this contract that is on the lake or does anyone know for a FACT that TXU is not paying for some of the fish since there is a contract? Second, you are talking about public funds buying these fish. Does anyone know where the fish stocking program gets it's revenue? I haven't researched it but I am pretty sure a large sum of it comes from the Dingle-Johnson Act which is a federal program. So most of the money is being provided by the federal government and through taxes on fishing gear and licenses. If most of the program is federally funded (correct me if I'm wrong)doesn't that mean these fish belong to every one who pays federal taxes. If that is the case I want to know what you are going to do with the one fish scale you are going to get after they are divided up between every taxpaying citizen. You know I might be wrong but I haven't seen any proof that the contract doesn't have TXU paying anything or where the funding is coming from. Also, I live in the DFW metroplex now so placing those fish at the proposed lake would benefit me, but why should we get the benefit if people from all over the state are paying for them like you are saying. Moving them to North Texas doesn't serve any justice for those in the south or west. The argument is that it's not fair that you don't get to catch the fish you payed for but your solution doesn't make it fair for many other people in the state, assuming of course we actually did pay for most of the fish which I don't think we did. I just need more proof like the contract and funding reports.
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Re: Petition to re-open Squaw Creek Reservoir
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05/28/06 04:29 AM
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meP2too
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Stocking History for Squaw Creek
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Species Year Number Stocked Size
Channel catfish 1986 17,501 Fingerling
Florida Largemouth bass 1991 163,600 Fingerling
Florida Largemouth bass 1990 164,654 Fry
Smallmouth bass 1982 59,875
Smallmouth bass 1980 49,955
Smallmouth bass 1979 100,000
Striped X White bass 1996 51,538 Fingerling
Striped X White bass 1994 50,844 Fingerling
Striped X White bass 1983 99,000
Striped X White bass 1981 100,000
Striped X White bass 1979 99,900
Threadfin shad 1984 3,900
Threadfin shad 1982 12,000
Walleye 1979 4,860,000
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The above information was cut and pasted from TP&W site, as you can see the last stocking of Florida Largemouth Bass was in 1991. Thats fifteen years ago, I would think that is close to the lifespan of a bass.
the fish stocked in 91 might not be alive, how are we to retrieve them? as for the remaining fish how do know if they are spawned from native fish that existed in the original creek and farm ponds or stocked fish.
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Re: Petition to re-open Squaw Creek Reservoir
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05/28/06 10:41 AM
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I signed!! If we're payin to stock it we dmn well better be able to fish it.
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