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Re: jon boat vs canoe?
[Re: Twin]
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07/12/12 02:16 PM
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jdsibert
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BASSPRO SHOP. 14 ft johns under 1k, motors about 2.5k...under 4k and fully powered with Evinrude. Hers a little tip to ALL you guys with a rivited boat. For about 300$, go get the damn thing sprayed with RHINO LINING. It will seal that boat right up....and deaden sounds. Im having it done to my 16ft. V Hull after seeing what it did for a buddies boat. it leaked, had small pin holes in it....but after the coating, SOLID.
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Re: jon boat vs canoe?
[Re: Twin]
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07/16/12 03:17 AM
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So you are saying get a riveted boat and just get it rhino lined?
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Re: jon boat vs canoe?
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07/16/12 03:41 AM
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So you are saying get a riveted boat and just get it rhino lined? Don't listen to him. Rhino lining a jon boat is a bad idea. For every person who tells you to do it, 10 more will tell you not to. It weighs down the boat a lot and makes it handle differently. Don't do it.
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Re: jon boat vs canoe?
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07/16/12 01:32 PM
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Def a john boat. A lot faster at getting to where you want to go! I had a 15ft with a 25hp and could launch and fish just about anywhere I wanted as long as the wind wasn't to bad. the motor would push that boat around 30mph which is plenty fast! It could also float in 3-4" with me out pushing it. I caught more fish out of that little boat than all my other boats combined! I had a riveted boat and it was just fine never had an issue. I bought mine used for like 1500 so look around you might find a good deal and save money.
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Re: jon boat vs canoe?
[Re: Twin]
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07/16/12 04:13 PM
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salt4me
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Do NOT paint or coat anything aluminum that will see salt water. Aluminum when exposed to salt water and air forms an oxide skin that makes it stronger and protects it from the elements. Without oxygen, such as water getting under a coating or through a scratch in the paint, it doesn't form the oxide but eats at the aluminum the same way it does regular steel. In older in board boats they would encase the aluminum tank in foam. It worked great for a while but the deck would start to leak, the foam would get wet, and bad stuff would happen to the tank in a short amount of time. Joe
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Re: jon boat vs canoe?
[Re: Twin]
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07/17/12 02:44 AM
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jdsibert
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Which Jon boat is fully welded besides an alweld? BASS PRO sells GRIZZLY. All welded or all riveted...your choice.
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Re: jon boat vs canoe?
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07/19/12 05:24 AM
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jdsibert
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So you are saying get a riveted boat and just get it rhino lined? Don't listen to him. Rhino lining a jon boat is a bad idea. For every person who tells you to do it, 10 more will tell you not to. It weighs down the boat a lot and makes it handle differently. Don't do it. FYI....some boats handle better when there is some weight in the boat. My 16 foot Monarch Vhull bounces around like a cork..if I put a bag of sand in the front of the boat....it smoothes right out. It all depends on your boat. If you have an old leaky tub of a aluminum boat, spraying it will definately seal up the holes and it DOES MOST CERTAINLY cut down on the sound. Ive ridden in a friends boat that is a Sears model 14 footer.....after he had his sprayed < the basis for my post> it was dry, rode smoother, and even felt "solid" to ride in. Personally attacking me will not change the fact that spraying hellps aluminum boats that are leaky. Yes, it may change the way it rides, maybe for the better, in the case of the boat I have ridden in, the ride was MUCH better. NO, I wouldnt suggest buying a riveted boat and spraying it over buying a welded boat....2 reasons; 1) cost. 2)spraying seals a LEAKY boat. If your NEW boat LEAKS....take it back.
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Re: jon boat vs canoe?
[Re: salt4me]
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07/19/12 09:37 AM
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jdsibert
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Do NOT paint or coat anything aluminum that will see salt water. Aluminum when exposed to salt water and air forms an oxide skin that makes it stronger and protects it from the elements. Without oxygen, such as water getting under a coating or through a scratch in the paint, it doesn't form the oxide but eats at the aluminum the same way it does regular steel. In older in board boats they would encase the aluminum tank in foam. It worked great for a while but the deck would start to leak, the foam would get wet, and bad stuff would happen to the tank in a short amount of time. Joe I dont quite understand your theory. If this is true, why are all aluminum hulled boats sold in Academy's and Bass Pros' all painted green? Why are so many aluminum scuba tanks painted ? Why does the military paint aluminum bodied aircraft. Marine MCACs are all painted, and they are all aluminum on the upper decks and around the fan housings. If you know of a aluminum tank that failed....I would tend to look for a electrolysis issue or some sort of chemical induced degradation. Aircraft fuel cells have been made out of aluminum, coated with a non-conductive paint, and lined with a self sealing bladder for years....since WW-II. Painting aluminum with a Polyvinyl paint will not induce any rotting or rusting effect; None that I know of or have ever heard of, and Ive been working with Al for quite a while. All that said, I will ask a friend of mine who is a Weld Engineer, and who has much experience with metallurgy about this. IF it is possible to cause a rusting / degrading effect on aluminum by painting it...I need to know, as I make my living (as it is), this way. Im a welder and fabricator by trade.
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Re: jon boat vs canoe?
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07/19/12 09:44 AM
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jdsibert
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As it is....I would refer to this for some reading on Aluminum and rusting. See if it answers any questions any of you might have about aluminums resistance to rust or oxidation.
http://www.sheetpileeurope.com/uploads/CMI%20technische%20documenten%20%28engels%29/aluminum_corrosion.pdf
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Re: jon boat vs canoe?
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07/19/12 01:46 PM
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salt4me
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The problem isn't painting the aluminum. It's the quality of paint and prep that is done on the aluminum. Any aluminum that is painted for a consumer is usually allowed to oxidize then properly cleaned and etched before it's primed and painted. The proper painting or coating of a boat is usually more expensive than buying a new boat especially with rivets which will move and allow the sheets to expand and contract. Like the article said, aluminum forms an oxide when exposed to free oxygen. Water trapped under a coating or paint will not provide this. I believe that the green boats you see being sold are electro painted much like powder coating where it's actually bonded to the metal at a molecular level. Most scuba tanks that are painted are steel tanks. The colored ones in aluminum are usually anodized. I have a close friend in Oregon that has a metal finishing company and also builds his own aluminum boats. Not the tiny little john boats but 30'+ pilot houses. He likes his boats to be black. Doing the work himself and getting materials at shop prices it was almost $15k to paint the outside of his last one. It takes the same process as painting planes to do it right though. Paint and plane with different charges so that it bonds and not sticks to the object. Some guy in his back yard with a bucket or spray on of brand X is not the way to do it right. If a boat leaks and you coat just the outside then any water that gets inside the boat will "leak" between the coating and the outside. Joe
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Re: jon boat vs canoe?
[Re: salt4me]
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07/20/12 12:56 AM
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jdsibert
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The problem isn't painting the aluminum. It's the quality of paint and prep that is done on the aluminum. Any aluminum that is painted for a consumer is usually allowed to oxidize then properly cleaned and etched before it's primed and painted. The proper painting or coating of a boat is usually more expensive than buying a new boat especially with rivets which will move and allow the sheets to expand and contract. Like the article said, aluminum forms an oxide when exposed to free oxygen. Water trapped under a coating or paint will not provide this. I believe that the green boats you see being sold are electro painted much like powder coating where it's actually bonded to the metal at a molecular level. Most scuba tanks that are painted are steel tanks. The colored ones in aluminum are usually anodized. I have a close friend in Oregon that has a metal finishing company and also builds his own aluminum boats. Not the tiny little john boats but 30'+ pilot houses. He likes his boats to be black. Doing the work himself and getting materials at shop prices it was almost $15k to paint the outside of his last one. It takes the same process as painting planes to do it right though. Paint and plane with different charges so that it bonds and not sticks to the object. Some guy in his back yard with a bucket or spray on of brand X is not the way to do it right. If a boat leaks and you coat just the outside then any water that gets inside the boat will "leak" between the coating and the outside. Joe uhhh.....you dont spray the outside with Rhino "lining"....you spray the inside of the boat.....
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