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 Question about Lower Mountain Fork "Bait" Regulations
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05/20/12 04:41 PM
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AgSellers04
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I was wondering if it is legal to use the Powerbait Trout Worms in the Red Zone in the LMF as long as your hook is barbless?
It just reads in the regs as "no use of bait allowed" but doesn't specify if Powerbait is considered bait or not...
Thanks
PBs LMB- 11 lbs., 7 oz. Falcon  Striper- 40 lb. Long Is. Sound BlueCat- 30 lb. Texoma Hybrid-8.2 lb. Lewisville Cutthroat Trout-22" Yellowstone R, WY Rainbow Trout- 21" Blitzen R, OR Steelhead- 8 lb. Umpqua R, OR Redfish-20 lb. Panama C. Bay, FL
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Re: Question about Lower Mountain Fork "Bait" Regulations
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05/20/12 04:51 PM
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rrhyne56
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Best to contact Oklahoma Fish & Game. But my guess is that they're gonna call it bait.
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Re: Question about Lower Mountain Fork "Bait" Regulations
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05/21/12 02:16 PM
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kentuckytroutbum
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Back in March, I was fishing Spillway and Lost Creek, and ran into the Park Game Warden who hangs around the 1st bridge over Spillway. I asked him about a "bait" fisherman using Powerbait in the Blue Zone. The warden said it was legal in the Blue Zone, but not legal in the Red Zone. I would go with what a warden told me, because he will be the one to "bust" me if he thinks I'm not legal. FWIW, I'm staying legal, and not push a definition of the regs.
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Re: Question about Lower Mountain Fork "Bait" Regulations
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05/21/12 02:32 PM
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I can see the powerbait dough bait being considered "bait", but I wonder if they would consider the plastic powerbait worms to be "bait" juse because they have "powerbait" on the package even though they are simply a plastic worm.
PBs LMB- 11 lbs., 7 oz. Falcon Striper- 40 lb. Long Is. Sound BlueCat- 30 lb. Texoma Hybrid-8.2 lb. Lewisville Cutthroat Trout-22" Yellowstone R, WY Rainbow Trout- 21" Blitzen R, OR Steelhead- 8 lb. Umpqua R, OR Redfish-20 lb. Panama C. Bay, FL
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Re: Question about Lower Mountain Fork "Bait" Regulations
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05/21/12 02:35 PM
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I'd say call them and find out for sure. Better than finding out the hard way
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Re: Question about Lower Mountain Fork "Bait" Regulations
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05/21/12 03:00 PM
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I just spoke with Mark Hannah the game warden in that area, and he says that he considers anything that has attractant of any kind on it to be bait, so the powerbait trout worms are illegal in the red zone.
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PBs LMB- 11 lbs., 7 oz. Falcon Striper- 40 lb. Long Is. Sound BlueCat- 30 lb. Texoma Hybrid-8.2 lb. Lewisville Cutthroat Trout-22" Yellowstone R, WY Rainbow Trout- 21" Blitzen R, OR Steelhead- 8 lb. Umpqua R, OR Redfish-20 lb. Panama C. Bay, FL
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Re: Question about Lower Mountain Fork "Bait" Regulations
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05/22/12 03:41 AM
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POWER BAIT IS ILLEGAL! as is corn, salmon eggs & worms! I am a member of the stream watch program and I routinely have to explain the rules to people I see fishing with bait in the red zones! Just like all of the MISS INFORMED people that think lost creak is NOT in the red zone. We will be putting up new signs in a few weeks letting people know that ALL of lost creek as well as anything below the diversion chute of lost creek is a RED ZONE! had the unfortunate task of having a guy & his girlfriend ticketed by a game warden 2 weeks ago as I watched them catch 10 rainbows, walk to their truck put them in a cooler and go back and catch 10 more! It may be a put and take fishery but that DOES NOT give anyone the right to break the LAW!
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Re: Question about Lower Mountain Fork "Bait" Regulations
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05/22/12 01:11 PM
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POWER BAIT IS ILLEGAL! as is corn, salmon eggs & worms! I am a member of the stream watch program and I routinely have to explain the rules to people I see fishing with bait in the red zones! Just like all of the MISS INFORMED people that think lost creak is NOT in the red zone. We will be putting up new signs in a few weeks letting people know that ALL of lost creek as well as anything below the diversion chute of lost creek is a RED ZONE! had the unfortunate task of having a guy & his girlfriend ticketed by a game warden 2 weeks ago as I watched them catch 10 rainbows, walk to their truck put them in a cooler and go back and catch 10 more! It may be a put and take fishery but that DOES NOT give anyone the right to break the LAW! FFF- Thanks for your post. Behavior such as you noted is exactly why I asked the warden back in March. He was hauling full stringers back to his truck and going back for more, and using salmon eggs. Please post the signs at your earliest convenience. Also, I'd like to see the warden more often checking licenses and creels. Bill P.S. There are currently signs at the Lost Creek weir which are pretty clear to me, but I believe people are ignoring the regs, and the signs. But please post your signs also. Maybe the point will get across. As Jeff Foxworthy said...."give 'em a sign."
Last edited by kentuckytroutbum; 05/22/12 03:00 PM. Reason: added P.S.
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Re: Question about Lower Mountain Fork "Bait" Regulations
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05/23/12 03:22 AM
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bumb ubm! 
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Re: Question about Lower Mountain Fork "Bait" Regulations
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05/25/12 04:08 PM
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I have been to LMF only a couple of times and have never had a hard time understanding the lost creek sign.
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Re: Question about Lower Mountain Fork "Bait" Regulations
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05/28/12 04:02 AM
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Its clearly says in the rules that it must be flies or hard bait with barbless hooks in a red zone
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Re: Question about Lower Mountain Fork "Bait" Regulations
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05/28/12 05:04 PM
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It doesn't specifically say "hard bait" at all, it says the following:
"Use of bait or barbed hooks is prohibited in the Red Zone. Fishing is restricted to barbless hooks, artificial flies and artificial lures only".
It however, does not define "bait" which leaves it open to the interpretation of the game warden.
I already spoke with the game warden anyway so I know he considers power worms or anything with attractant to be "bait"
PBs LMB- 11 lbs., 7 oz. Falcon Striper- 40 lb. Long Is. Sound BlueCat- 30 lb. Texoma Hybrid-8.2 lb. Lewisville Cutthroat Trout-22" Yellowstone R, WY Rainbow Trout- 21" Blitzen R, OR Steelhead- 8 lb. Umpqua R, OR Redfish-20 lb. Panama C. Bay, FL
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Re: Question about Lower Mountain Fork "Bait" Regulations
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05/28/12 05:37 PM
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THIS IS NOT OPEN TO INTERPRETATION! the state of Oklahoma Wildlife & fisheries Department has ruled on this and the game wardens KNOW that anything "OTHER" than hard baits, soft plastic baits or artificial flies are ILLEGAL! soft plastics with fish attractant either sprayed on or injection molded into the bait are NOT illegal....
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Re: Question about Lower Mountain Fork "Bait" Regulations
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05/28/12 09:54 PM
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soft plastics with fish attractant either sprayed on or injection molded into the bait are NOT illegal.... I thought you said above that powerbait was illegal. Here you clearly state the opposite since powerbait worms have attractant injection molded into the bait. You can argue that with the Game Warden all you want but he specifically told me that soft plastics with attractant is illegal in the Red Zone.
Last edited by AgSellers04; 05/28/12 10:02 PM.
PBs LMB- 11 lbs., 7 oz. Falcon Striper- 40 lb. Long Is. Sound BlueCat- 30 lb. Texoma Hybrid-8.2 lb. Lewisville Cutthroat Trout-22" Yellowstone R, WY Rainbow Trout- 21" Blitzen R, OR Steelhead- 8 lb. Umpqua R, OR Redfish-20 lb. Panama C. Bay, FL
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Re: Question about Lower Mountain Fork "Bait" Regulations
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05/29/12 03:04 AM
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scooter aggie
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Hey Ag, dont worry too much about FFF, he seems to suffer from excessive capitalization disorder and is confusing me too. In my experience at LMF, the right flies (or something close fished drag free) will out fish the powerbaiters and artificials. Especially in the areas that get hit hardest such as spillway, lost creek and evening hole.
Mostly, I would avoid any potential arguments w/ the game warden and stay on the safe side.
Last edited by scooter aggie; 05/29/12 03:16 AM. Reason: fixin stuffs
Let us hope that the bass do not find the equivalent of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.
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