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Re: Jeremy Stark said he can get a CrankBait to 50 FOW
[Re: ChampionDon (SkeeterDon)]
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05/08/12 02:58 PM
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ezbassin
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I guess I thought the technique was a little different. I thought you let out a large amount of line and then got on the trolling motor and "strolled" the crank bait along until you got bit, and then you started reeling in the fish.
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Re: Jeremy Stark said he can get a CrankBait to 50 FOW
[Re: ChampionDon (SkeeterDon)]
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05/08/12 02:59 PM
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B.Hollingshead
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I know back when they had TTT, I had a japan kid with me that showed me a Modification with a DD22 to make it go 30ft easy..He told me that you had to learn those tricks to do to baits in japan because the fish were getting adapted to the baits in shallower water and when you could get them deeper it was a wack fest. So yes I can believe it can be done with casting it and reeling it to 30-35ft but dont belive it can to 50ft with out letting alot of line out then reeling it like mentioned..
Last edited by Ranger Holly; 05/08/12 03:01 PM.
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Re: Jeremy Stark said he can get a CrankBait to 50 FOW
[Re: ChampionDon (SkeeterDon)]
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05/08/12 03:39 PM
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foul_hook
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If you fish tournaments, check your tournament rules. Bud Light rules indicate strolling is not allowed.
Glad to have taken..."the trash in the back!"
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Re: Jeremy Stark said he can get a CrankBait to 50 FOW
[Re: Brandon Dickenson]
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05/08/12 04:58 PM
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5bites
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I expressed my opinion about Mr. Pinks article on facebook when he posted it there. My basic opinion is I think he's just whining and stirring the pot, as usual.
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Re: Jeremy Stark said he can get a CrankBait to 50 FOW
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05/08/12 10:51 PM
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COKEMAN
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Probably a bit of a gray area there, foul_hook. BLT says trolling is prohibited. Strolling is not trolling, imo. Strollers do not move the lure with the motor, they only let line out and then stop and reel. And if one asserts that the motor will move the bait a little bit when letting out the line and that constitutes trolling, then you have to start to consider what happens when changing directions in mid-retireve on a normal cast and the lure pulls against the boat. That is the motor moving the bait too.
The trolling thing should probably ruled more based on intent rather than incidental movement of the bait by the electric or combustion engine. Traditionally, it is based on the combustion motor, but I have watched a boat on a Cedar Creek tournament put extra batteries on the rear deck and just zig zag their lures through the bridge pilings all day. That's trolling.
Not picking on you, foul_hook, just pointing out what I see as a misconception of trolling v strolling in in this thread.
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Re: Jeremy Stark said he can get a CrankBait to 50 FOW
[Re: ChampionDon (SkeeterDon)]
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05/09/12 05:26 AM
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joeycan24
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I used to do this technique at the mall whenever I was 16 sometimes it worked sometimes it didn't. I would see slime from time to time also.
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Re: Jeremy Stark said he can get a CrankBait to 50 FOW
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05/09/12 01:43 PM
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Lil' Louie
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I think K-Pink cries and moans way too much and is wearing the appropriate colors... Suck it up buttercup. He cried bigtime after the Lewisville Open.... yea the conditions sucked and the lake pretty much sucked but so does he...
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Re: Jeremy Stark said he can get a CrankBait to 50 FOW
[Re: ChampionDon (SkeeterDon)]
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05/09/12 02:24 PM
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ChampionDon (SkeeterDon)
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Yes, I agree, was the movement of the bait via any motor intentional?
In golf if you take a practice swing and accidentaly hit your ball, does that cost you a stroke? No because it was not intentional. If you address the ball and miss is that a stroke? Yes. If you swing with intent, it is a stroke.
I have seen guys due this with Crigs all the time wth the trolling motor.
Excerpt from various Trails:
Bass Champs:
"Trolling with the combustion engine as a method of fishing is prohibited."
Bud Light:
"An electric trolling motor may be used for positioning only. Trolling for the purposes of fishing is prohibited."
LoneStar:
"No wading or trolling is allowed."
Texas Team Trail:
"Trolling as a method of fishing is prohibited."
All of FLW: (Except Wallye Tour)
"Trolling as a method of fishing is strictly prohibited."
Bassmaster Elite, Opens,
"An electric trolling motor may be used for slow maneuvering. However, trolling as a method of fishing is prohibited"
ABA:
"An electric trolling motor may be used for slow maneuvering; however, trolling as a method of fishing is prohibited."
TTZ:
"Trolling with the combustion motor is not permitted."
Bottom line, if the rules are not specific or you feel that there may be a grey area and you use this method, I would consult with your tournament director. Some rules are specific and some are vague.
I have never used this technique and would like to try it one day.
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Re: Jeremy Stark said he can get a CrankBait to 50 FOW
[Re: ChampionDon (SkeeterDon)]
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05/09/12 03:23 PM
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I've heard of guys strolling on stillhouse, but heard they did it with a c-rig or splitshot rig, as long as your just on the trolling motor and not the big motor its legal in tournaments.
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Re: Jeremy Stark said he can get a CrankBait to 50 FOW
[Re: ChampionDon (SkeeterDon)]
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05/10/12 08:08 AM
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DanObass
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I talked to Britt Myers about it today, and he made sure to clear it with B.A.S.S. officials before starting the event.
He also said he made sure to stop the forward progress of the boat or remove his foot from the trolling motor before beginning his retrieve to make sure that he didn't appear to have been pulling the bait with the trolling motor at all.
I've looked at the pictures and videos of Starks on the Bassmaster Website and it looks like he was using an Abu Garcia Revo Winch reel. The Winch holds 175 yards of 12-pound-test line (according to the specs on the reel). I don't believe that you could increase the line capacity by 125 yards by going to 8-pound-test.
12-pound-test Berkley 100% Fluorocarbon has a diameter of .013 inches, while 8-pound-test Berkley 100% Fluorocarbon has a diameter of .011 inches. I don't know what this translates to in line capacity, but I'm not sure that it will increase it by 30% on a Revo Winch.
That's not to say he wasn't using a different reel, but I will be going to my local tackle store to do some measurements of spooling line to see the difference.
I will likely post the results on Advanced Angler.com in a story.
I am led to believe that Starks must have been doing something different when it came to his line as Mr. Kumar mentioned above.
Thanks, Dan O'Sullivan Advanced Angler.com
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Re: Jeremy Stark said he can get a CrankBait to 50 FOW
[Re: ChampionDon (SkeeterDon)]
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05/10/12 11:56 AM
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Fishin Machine
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Not to say this is what Starks was doing but he could have been using that new Berkley Nano line (which is like thread) or braid or something like that where the diameter is so small that it will take 300 yards to fill a spool. On the other hand it will take 125 plus yards regular mono or flouro to fill the spool. This is just my guess.
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Re: Jeremy Stark said he can get a CrankBait to 50 FOW
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05/10/12 01:23 PM
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Pat Cella
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Wouldnt want to get hung out with 100 yards of line out, that would be some wasted time! It is kind of funny that you say that. My son Kent has spent some time deep cranking and some time strolling on Fork with Kelly Jordan and we were talking about getting hung up and Kent said "Kelly never gets hung up". I said "so he doesn't get hung up much"? Kent said no "I mean he NEVER gets hung up". He said "there will be three of them in the boat and they will spend 10 hour cranking deep timber and two of them will get hung 20 times each and Kelly will not get hung once." How does he do that? LOL
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Re: Jeremy Stark said he can get a CrankBait to 50 FOW
[Re: ChampionDon (SkeeterDon)]
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05/10/12 01:30 PM
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Mark Perry
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I still love to fish and always will but this is the first year in a long time I have all but lost interest in following each Elite event. Too much drama and BS that takes away from the actual fishing. seems each event someone is upset with someone else. Been very surprised this year as it seems its the old guard that does a lot of the complaining too. For me its starting to take away from the reason I enjoyed watching. These days no one is ever a gracious loser I guess. Honestly i am to the point that no matter what happens on the pro trails is not gonna affect me personally in one bit. i will still go fishing every chance I get and will still have fun.
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Re: Jeremy Stark said he can get a CrankBait to 50 FOW
[Re: DanObass]
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05/10/12 02:01 PM
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TechFisherman
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[quote=DanObass]I talked to Britt Myers about it today, and he made sure to clear it with B.A.S.S. officials before starting the event.
If this was cleared with BASS officials before hand, then all is well in my book.
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