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Re: Wow, what a read from Falcon Lake Tackle
[Re: catslayer]
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04/25/12 12:39 AM
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Shawn Mead
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I am a tournament director and had tournaments monthly for the past 18 months and I can count on one hand how many fish in my tournaments have died before the weigh-in. Not one of them have been over 2.5lbs. So tournaments harming the Big Fish population is BS..... By they way there are more recreational none-tournament angler's than tournament angler's, do you want them to stop catching big fish too? A 20" minimum..Come on man.... Nonesense....
so your saying that a cr@p ton didn't die at falcon when the elites went there? Why haven't they been back? oh yeah thats why... The point that is MORE relivant, dude that AWESOME that your tourneys havn't been killing fish, but not everybody is as careful as you and your crew... A slot isn't a 20 inch minimum, a slot is a slot... And it is shown to work. DHolding was right in saying there is more too it than just BIG BIG fish, tourney stringers and fish size as a whole need to be looked at, but as James said, enough time hasn't passed for publicly stocked fry to reach maturity. Pretty sure that the highest mortality rate was at Amistad was it not? Besides that...what is your point?
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Re: Wow, what a read from Falcon Lake Tackle
[Re: Bullet20XrD]
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04/25/12 12:40 AM
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Biffula
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Put it this way. If you owned your own business and you had to choose between hiring a guy with 30 years of hands on experience or a 23 year old with a degree and no experience, which one would you decide to employ? I'll take hands on experience over theory any day. I've got a degree, in fact I have two of them. The only thing I learned from getting both of them is how much I thought I knew that I really didn't. My boss, who has 30 years of experience in marketing and sales, does not have a degree. You would be a fool to take my advice over his, because you can take what he says to the bank.
Just some food for thought in reference to the fisheries biology degree comment above. And don't tell me its an apples to oranges comparison either, because it isn't. Experience carries over in any industry or field.
Just my 2 cents. Actually it depends on the career or profession. Someone who just acquired a science or technology degree can be lightyears ahead in knowledge because the nature of how fast what there is to learn changes and universities are teaching the cutting edge stuff. With daily changes in dna studies and genetics, I'd say a recent biology degree would be included in this. Now if you're talking sales, well hell, you don't need any kind of degree at all. So really, it depends on the field as to if I'd rather have someone with experience or a degree. Also don't discount that young pups are cheaper than old dogs.
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Re: Wow, what a read from Falcon Lake Tackle
[Re: Bkr10]
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04/25/12 12:43 AM
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Will.i.am
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Stock some rainbow trout in some of these deeper clear water lakes in the cooler months for a couple years and lets see what kinda results we get!!!!
food supply!!!
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Re: Wow, what a read from Falcon Lake Tackle
[Re: Shawn Mead]
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04/25/12 12:55 AM
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catslayer
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I am a tournament director and had tournaments monthly for the past 18 months and I can count on one hand how many fish in my tournaments have died before the weigh-in. Not one of them have been over 2.5lbs. So tournaments harming the Big Fish population is BS..... By they way there are more recreational none-tournament angler's than tournament angler's, do you want them to stop catching big fish too? A 20" minimum..Come on man.... Nonesense....
so your saying that a cr@p ton didn't die at falcon when the elites went there? Why haven't they been back? oh yeah thats why... The point that is MORE relivant, dude that AWESOME that your tourneys havn't been killing fish, but not everybody is as careful as you and your crew... A slot isn't a 20 inch minimum, a slot is a slot... And it is shown to work. DHolding was right in saying there is more too it than just BIG BIG fish, tourney stringers and fish size as a whole need to be looked at, but as James said, enough time hasn't passed for publicly stocked fry to reach maturity. Pretty sure that the highest mortality rate was at Amistad was it not? Besides that...what is your point? that you may be awesome but not everybody is. And that there are documented cases where death rate has been WAY high. Now IDK which death loss was higher falcon or stad, but either way they arn't at falcon and that's why. all that is beside the point, think of it this way assume your tourneys are the safest tourneys in the state... assume the elites money hungry world is the least safe, their are your two ends of the sliding scale, so if you are the top 1%. 99% kill more fish than you. How big are your tourneys? How big are the other 99%, how many fish?, mutiply, take away some number for the fish who would have died or not spawned any way, then multiply by the eggs your arn't getting into the system. Tourney fishing has its effects. Also you said fish that died BEFORE weigh in, who cares if its before weigh in if they die? After before that only matters for the tourney. I have seen bad tourney loss twice, one I saw all those floaters. another was fish weighed in that were in BAD SHAPE, I didn't see the floaters but I'd bet the farm on those fish dieing. It has an effect...
Last edited by catslayer; 04/25/12 12:56 AM.
"I'll never mess with bee's or wasp anymore, and I'll never gig another beaver..." Words from a man who learned things the hard way
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Re: Wow, what a read from Falcon Lake Tackle
[Re: Bkr10]
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04/25/12 01:24 AM
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FZ1
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Tournament mortality occurs for up to 3 weeks after the tournament fish are released. Mortality rates increase as the water temperature increases.
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Re: Wow, what a read from Falcon Lake Tackle
[Re: catslayer]
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04/25/12 01:24 AM
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Shawn Mead
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I am a tournament director and had tournaments monthly for the past 18 months and I can count on one hand how many fish in my tournaments have died before the weigh-in. Not one of them have been over 2.5lbs. So tournaments harming the Big Fish population is BS..... By they way there are more recreational none-tournament angler's than tournament angler's, do you want them to stop catching big fish too? A 20" minimum..Come on man.... Nonesense....
so your saying that a cr@p ton didn't die at falcon when the elites went there? Why haven't they been back? oh yeah thats why... The point that is MORE relivant, dude that AWESOME that your tourneys havn't been killing fish, but not everybody is as careful as you and your crew... A slot isn't a 20 inch minimum, a slot is a slot... And it is shown to work. DHolding was right in saying there is more too it than just BIG BIG fish, tourney stringers and fish size as a whole need to be looked at, but as James said, enough time hasn't passed for publicly stocked fry to reach maturity. Pretty sure that the highest mortality rate was at Amistad was it not? Besides that...what is your point? that you may be awesome but not everybody is. And that there are documented cases where death rate has been WAY high. Now IDK which death loss was higher falcon or stad, but either way they arn't at falcon and that's why. all that is beside the point, think of it this way assume your tourneys are the safest tourneys in the state... assume the elites money hungry world is the least safe, their are your two ends of the sliding scale, so if you are the top 1%. 99% kill more fish than you. How big are your tourneys? How big are the other 99%, how many fish?, mutiply, take away some number for the fish who would have died or not spawned any way, then multiply by the eggs your arn't getting into the system. Tourney fishing has its effects. Also you said fish that died BEFORE weigh in, who cares if its before weigh in if they die? After before that only matters for the tourney. I have seen bad tourney loss twice, one I saw all those floaters. another was fish weighed in that were in BAD SHAPE, I didn't see the floaters but I'd bet the farm on those fish dieing. It has an effect... Umm...I am not a tournament director and I didnt say any of those things. I am just a spectator that is trying to find out what dog you have in this fight. It is hard for me to understand why you are so butt hurt over this. It reminds me of the YouTube video of the girl that is crying over cats.... http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mTTwcCVajAcOh...and thanks for telling me I am awesome. Appreciate ya!
Last edited by ShawnMead (torquetwister); 04/25/12 01:28 AM. Reason: I am Awesome!!! Yes!
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Re: Wow, what a read from Falcon Lake Tackle
[Re: Bkr10]
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04/25/12 01:28 AM
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Fishspanker
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Lots of numbers pulled out of thin air. I would say he is not a fan.
The Sheep who only fears the Wolf is eaten by the Shepherd.
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Re: Wow, what a read from Falcon Lake Tackle
[Re: Bkr10]
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04/25/12 01:30 AM
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Brad Dunn
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Re: Wow, what a read from Falcon Lake Tackle
[Re: Bkr10]
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04/25/12 01:35 AM
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patriot07
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Wow...
Can everybody just get their panties out of a wad and go fishing?
Sounds like this James character knows about as much about big fish as the keyboard biologists on here.
Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards. - Soren Kierkegaard
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Re: Wow, what a read from Falcon Lake Tackle
[Re: Bkr10]
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04/25/12 02:20 AM
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fouzman
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I'm going to stick my two cents in one last time.
Yes, SAL is predominantly funded with private donations. Those funds come from Mr. Dan Friedken and Gulf States Toyota here in Houston. So do the funds awarded to TPWD from the TTBC each year. Those latter funds are directed toward inner-city fishing outreach programs like the rainbow trout stockings.
My personal opinion is that teenage fish would be better off left in their natural environment. Of those 40,000 fry from that one Falcon fish, only 20,000 will make it to fingerlings. Of those 20,000 released into ANY water body with an established predator base, at best 2% will make it past their first year.
SAL has provided a ton of research and genetic material. And the dollars into Texas versus the cash outlay to support SAL has been an outstanding investment. But TPWD have all they need in that regard.
I'll speak only in regards to Fork, as that is my "home" lake, with the following suggestions.
1. All tournaments are required to kill all unders for a period of one year.
2. Rather than wholesale eradication, TPWD should direct some of those invasives spraying $ toward establishing and maintaining areas of hydrilla, eurasian milfoil or coontail. 20% coverage would be perfect, and it can be done away from boat docks.
3. Quit stocking florida fingerlings in Fork. Instead grow out and release adults that were hand selected "jumpers" from the SAL fry. Yes, it's expensive and would produce far fewer fish. But those fish would already be in the slot where they could do the most good in replenishing Florida alleles.
All of that is my personal opinion, and while based upon a lot of research and experience fooling with LMB and their habitat for the past 27 years, is still just that, my opinion.
Coincidence is His way of remaining anonymous.
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Re: Wow, what a read from Falcon Lake Tackle
[Re: patriot07]
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04/25/12 02:21 AM
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fouzman
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Wow... Sounds like this James character knows about as much about big fish as the keyboard biologists on here. That sir, was about as idiotic a statement as I have seen made on the TFF.
Coincidence is His way of remaining anonymous.
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Re: Wow, what a read from Falcon Lake Tackle
[Re: Bkr10]
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04/25/12 02:27 AM
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Cameron
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I sell plastic lures, spinnerbait skirts, candy bars....hence I am the king of the forum and the best internet fisherman between Fork and Falcon...I say the sharelunker program rocks...just need a $132 guide license and use the phrase "licensed professional guide" and maybe I will be Lake Falcon material.
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Re: Wow, what a read from Falcon Lake Tackle
[Re: Bkr10]
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04/25/12 02:31 AM
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Shawn Mead
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Well said Mahfouz.....I think that would be a step in the right direction. I think the only obstacle there would be to maintain and grow those fingerling into Adults. That cannot be cheap.
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Re: Wow, what a read from Falcon Lake Tackle
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04/25/12 02:37 AM
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Texas Smoke
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I sell plastic lures, spinnerbait skirts, candy bars....hence I am the king of the forum and the best internet fisherman between Fork and Falcon...I say the sharelunker program rocks...just need a $132 guide license and use the phrase "licensed professional guide" and maybe I will be Lake Falcon material. not your best effort ............
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Re: Wow, what a read from Falcon Lake Tackle
[Re: Shawn Mead]
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04/25/12 02:39 AM
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bobabooey
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I'm pretty sure the 3000 boats on Sam Rayburn last weekend does not help the fish population.
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