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Shoot through hull transducer stops working above 40 mph
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09/16/11 04:10 PM
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Humminbird 998 with Y connector, the shoot through hull transducer stops working above 40 mph. The transduced for the dash mounted graph (260 Garman) is mounted right next to the humminbird and it works at speed. I dont turn the garman on as its screen is barly readable (pixales out) but still shows depth when on and running at speed. I used a trolling mount puck that I already had model #XTM 9 20 T for the 998 shoot through is this my problem? Thanks, Paul
Ranger 520VX 225 Yamaha HPDI PB's LMB 10.00# Ray Roberts May 2006
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Re: Shoot through hull transducer stops working above 40 mph
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09/16/11 04:54 PM
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Doug Vahrenberg
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Did you test prior to install? Sounds like you are getting turbulated water or mounting issue like air in the epoxy when you mounted.
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Re: Shoot through hull transducer stops working above 40 mph
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09/16/11 06:12 PM
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No I didn't test it prior to installing (wish I had now) but my thinking was right behind the old one should be good. I used 30 min epoxy mixed well sanded the hull smooth, and put epoxy on both the hull and transducer. Have you ever been able to remove one thats epoxied on without distroying it? Its at the lowest point of the hull on the pad so I'm not sure where else to place it. Thanks for your help, Paul.
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Re: Shoot through hull transducer stops working above 40 mph
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09/16/11 06:31 PM
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Wayne P.
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You used the wrong epoxy. The proper adhesive is the SLOW CURE epoxy (24 hours +). The fast setup kind produces a lot of bubbles when mixed due to the chemical reaction. You can use a screwdrive or sharp chisel to pry the transducer out, some use a hammer with a wooden block to knock it loose.
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Re: Shoot through hull transducer stops working above 40 mph
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09/17/11 01:41 AM
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You need to use slow cure epoxy and test location. Here are instructions to install and testing:
How to Install Shoot-Thru (Epoxy In Hull) Transducer:
First: It is recommended to test the location prior to installation. Hull construction can have effects on getting good readings and it's best to find the best location. Air Pockets, Areas that Glass Matts Overlap, Delamination of Hull can effect the sonar performance. The best wasy is to disable automatic bilge pump temporarily and add a couple inches of water to the hull. Next build a small sand bag using a Ziploc bag. Place transducer in hull and using sand bag hold it down to find the best location for installation. Normally the closer to the rear of the boat and center of the boat the higher speed the sonar will stay locked on. Make sure the location is away from strakes underneath as these will cause aerated or turbulated water underneath and disrupt the clean water flow accross the bottom of the hull which can effect sonar readings.
Second: Mark the location of the best readings and drain the water and allow hull to dry. Hull must be dry for epoxy to adhere and set-up.
Third: I like to sand or smooth out area of hull the transducer is mounted so it's flat and smooth surface.
Fourth: Using Plumber's Putty or Play Do build a small dam around the Area the transducer will installed about an 1" wider than transducer to keep epoxy from flowing during installation.
Fifth: Use Slow Cure Epoxy - I recommend the epoxy that comes with the transducer direct from Humminbird. Slow Cure Epoxy stays cooler than fast cure. DO NOT use silicone or any other material than epoxy. Silicone can absorb sonar waves and creates alot of issues. Mix thoroughly until consist color. Avoid whipping while mixing to reduce creating air bubbles in the epoxy. The less air bubbles the better the final results and improved sonar readings.
Sixth: I like to apply a thin layer of epoxy on the transducer, I also like to apply a thin layer pressed into the bottom of the dam to squeeze out any potential air bubbles between epoxy and hull. Fill the rest of the dam with remaining epoxy.
Seventh: Installation of transducer. As you push transducer into the epoxy start 90� from foward and push and slowly turn the quarter turn. This will helps squeeze out air bubbles under the transducer.
Eighth: Using Sandbag from step one place on top of transducer to hold it in place. And allow the epoxy to cure for a minimum of 24 hours.
Ninth: Remove Sandbag and Plumbers Putty. Your Transducer is now installed and ready to use.
Tenth: Test Transducer in the Water to make sure you have good sonar readings. If not you may have air the epoxy and may need to repeat procedure to get good sonar readings.
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Re: Shoot through hull transducer stops working above 40 mph
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09/17/11 04:05 PM
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Thanks guys, I had read this before but thought I would shortcut it, (dumb idea) and I thought 30 min epoxy was slow cure, I know better now. If I can get it loose without breaking it I'll do it by the procedure next time. Also, sense it is a round puck does it matter how it is oriented? This was a trolling motor transducer so I lined up the ears where the clamp goes parallel with the boat but don�t know if it matters. Thanks Again
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Re: Shoot through hull transducer stops working above 40 mph
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09/17/11 04:24 PM
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Wayne P.
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No, the 2D transducers are not directional.
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Re: Shoot through hull transducer stops working above 40 mph
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09/19/11 12:50 PM
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air in the expoxy would affect readings at all speeds.
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