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Re: FLW bans Nate Wellman for 1 year [Re: fouzman] #6609285 09/08/11 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
upside, we DO have the facts from the co-angler's mouth.


The CO-angler said "I dont joke like that", well some others might. I dont give a rats behind how you joke, it was the intentions that count. And if you know Wellmans intentions then you are God like.

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Re: FLW bans Nate Wellman for 1 year [Re: crankn101] #6609328 09/08/11 03:46 PM
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Re: FLW bans Nate Wellman for 1 year [Re: Bass_Bustin_Texan] #6609384 09/08/11 03:59 PM
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he said the fact he told him he would take him out to middle of the lake so no one would see..it was a not a joke. of course we do just have thier stories not a video or audio of the incident(at least not that were being shown). but one story is the guys whos character is in question and the other is the guy who for sure did the right thing,based on those facts id have to take the word of the coangler. thats just me though

Re: FLW bans Nate Wellman for 1 year [Re: Mike_Soriano™] #6609449 09/08/11 04:11 PM
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Well. One thing is for sure, BASS did drop the ball. A simple polygraph would have solved the issue pretty easily.

Re: FLW bans Nate Wellman for 1 year [Re: fouzman] #6609452 09/08/11 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
You know, I was one of the first to jump on the Jerry McKinnis bandwagon when he and his partners purchased B.A.S.S.

However, after several of his Op Eds on bassmaster.com I have to retract my support of him.

First was his "Bass Fishing Needs Skeet Reese" piece. Right before the Post Season voting began.

Then there was the whole fan voting for 4 of the 12 post season participants. B.A.S.S. permitted the pros who write blogs on the website to use the site to politic for votes. How was that fair to the other anglers who did not have that luxury?

Upon the MLF announcement, JM comes out with a veiled threat of how he and HIS Elite anglers would not stand for this "competition." I guess he's going to enlist the support of the bottom 50 against the top 50 anglers?

In that same piece JM also made some overtures to rules enforcement in the coming season related to the "no info" and off-limits rules. He clearly stated that B.A.S.S. was going to be watching and the penalty would not be a slap on the hand.

And now this. The Wellman incident. A black eye for the entire sport. A CLEAR rules violation that should have resulted in a penalty, a disqualification and a ban from the organization. And all the while, Jerry McKinnis has been mute.

But his actions speak louder than words. A slap on the hand is all Wellman gets and the second place angler gets robbed of a Classic berth.

I was one of the first to support JM. I'll now be one of the first to state that he is doing a TERRIBLE job of running B.A.S.S. He plays favorites. His EGO is bigger than Jerry Jones' and he is inconsistent in his leadership. I thought he would really do great things. Unfortunately, he's destroying what's left of B.A.S.S. with each passing month.
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Re: FLW bans Nate Wellman for 1 year [Re: Mike_Soriano™] #6609459 09/08/11 04:13 PM
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He's fished enough to know that you don't joke about stuff like that in a national tournament. I've fished with coanglers in events where they are your "police" and I wouldn't dare say anything like that, especially if I was leading the event. Pressure or no pressure. If he was joking he would have said it just one time, not repeatedly. He wouldn't have gone into detail about how his dad carries around so much cash, how they could go to the middle of the lake, etc...

I call B.S. I don't need facts, I have common sense.








Re: FLW bans Nate Wellman for 1 year [Re: WaterLogged] #6609460 09/08/11 04:13 PM
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"he said, she said" was the old saying I was using.

I'm talking about coangler said this...boater said this.

Is that admissable in court?

What about the Mama who supposedly killed her daughter...it was all "he said she said"...she got off.

I don't watch court TV or get into the facts of the law much...so I'm just asking....and creating discussion.


Wellman already admitted he made inappropiate comments, granted miranda rights werent read, but he made the admission already so it will hold up. The only thing he disputes is the context, he says he was joking. You dont joke about some things, bombs, assasinations or killing your wife will get you in trouble more times than its taken as a joke, and joking about cheating during a tournament is not something a bright person would do. Attempted Cheating is as bad as cheating in my book because eventually he will get away with it and cheat. I personally think he has a lifetime ban he placed on himself, without sponsors he wont be able to afford to fish as a professional on his own for more than a year. BASS didnt do enough as far as this tournament, he should have been DQ'd, lost that money, removed from classic and 2nd place should be awarded the win, + probation. Its hard to do a lifetime ban without actually cheating, but I feel he will have pushed himself from the sport on his own behavior


Have you ever said you wanted to kill someone when you were upset? Should you be charged with attempted murder for making such comments? I'm pretty sure that just talking about doing something does not qualify it as attempting to do it, there has to be some action involved. Unless he pulled out a fist full of money or in some way pushed it past just talk, then I think his punishment is more than fine for what he did. I'm sure alot of people have made comments about assasinating the president, I do not think they all get charged with attempted assasination though.

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Re: FLW bans Nate Wellman for 1 year [Re: crankn101] #6609471 09/08/11 04:15 PM
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Well. One thing is for sure, BASS did drop the ball. A simple polygraph would have solved the issue pretty easily.



lol just ask Robby Rose.

Re: FLW bans Nate Wellman for 1 year [Re: upside] #6609481 09/08/11 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: upside


I would not give up on BASS. McKinnis is trying to bring the right things to this sport, and he will deal with this matter outside the social media.

In a situation like that, a lot of decisions are based on damage control and retaining the professional aspect of the sport. Be assured, this is not finished and McKinnis et al will take care of this situation.


I must be really missing something. Mckinnis has been one of the owners for well over a year? and what has he done so far to bring the right thing to the sport?

The only way to do any positive damage control in a situation like this is to immediately take actions that lets everyone know that actions demonstrated by Wellman will not be tolerated. A DQ for the tournament and ban from future competition would be the way to do it. Instead, the message that was sent says, we would prefer if you did not do things like that but we are not really going to take any actions to actually stop it.

Re: FLW bans Nate Wellman for 1 year [Re: Frenzy] #6609509 09/08/11 04:23 PM
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Frenzy, you are wrong. You can be arrested for making terroristic threats. Particularly if the person to whom the threat was made is impacted by it in any way. If you made that comment at work, you would be fired and probably have charges filed against you. If you made that comment about the President of the United States, you WOULD be arrested. If you made that type of threat in writing, you could have serious issues.

Now if one said this in frustration and without intent, and the incident were properly investigated, there should be no action taken.

But before you go stating that just saying something is not against the law, you better understand the law.


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Re: FLW bans Nate Wellman for 1 year [Re: fouzman] #6609529 09/08/11 04:27 PM
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I feel like I am learning knowledge from this thread. Fouz, if i ever get in trouble with the law I am hiring you as my TFF lawyer!

Re: FLW bans Nate Wellman for 1 year [Re: Barrett] #6609546 09/08/11 04:29 PM
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I'm not a lawyer but I do familiarize myself with all laws that may have an impact on my life. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, bro!


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Re: FLW bans Nate Wellman for 1 year [Re: fouzman] #6609591 09/08/11 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
Frenzy, you are wrong. You can be arrested for making terroristic threats. Particularly if the person to whom the threat was made is impacted by it in any way. If you made that comment at work, you would be fired and probably have charges filed against you. If you made that comment about the President of the United States, you WOULD be arrested. If you made that type of threat in writing, you could have serious issues.

Now if one said this in frustration and without intent, and the incident were properly investigated, there should be no action taken.

But before you go stating that just saying something is not against the law, you better understand the law.


You are right, but all your examples include said law-breaker taking action beyond simply talking about it. To make a terrorist threat it takes more than me saying I would like to bomb the DMV, I will not get arrested for that. I can make all the comments about the president I want, however if I take the actions of writing it down and mailing it to him that is action on my part, not just talk. Your work example is somewhat true, but your work can fire you for any reason really, doesn't mean that cause you made a comment and got fired you broke any laws.


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dont forget how many times Wellman "joked" about buying fish and driving to the middle of the lake so nobody could see.

Re: FLW bans Nate Wellman for 1 year [Re: SkeeterRonnie] #6609629 09/08/11 04:42 PM
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If u aint cheatin you ain't trying.. they were in the same boat.. only seems fair.



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