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Re: have you ever used... [Re: TGM Not-So-Pro Team] #6430394 07/22/11 09:58 PM
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Negative. I have seen it cause a lot of problems in engines. I know there are a lot of people that swear by it and will bash me for speaking ill of it, but you will never find it in my tool box.


SO what is formulat X2... is this why you dont recomend sea foam?


Formula X2 is fuel stabilizer and fuel system cleaner. It also removes water from fuel. The biggest difference is that it contain less that 2% alcohol in it. It uses to detergents rather than solvents to clean the system.

It definitely takes more than 1 can of sea foam to cause problems in the system. It is a high alcohol content which is a solvent and eats at fuel lines. Much like ethanol.

I use X2 because it has proven itself for me and saved a lot of fuel that had water in it. X2 has been on the market over 30 years but until now was mostly used by big oil companies. They use it on offshore oil rigs in the pipelines that pump oil out of the ground. It protects the pipelines and also removes any water that may leak in.

Coast Guard also uses it in almost all of their boats and ships.


No offense man, but after having been in the aviation industry as quality assurance for 12 years, owning a hot rod shop, building more race car engines than most people will see in a lifetime, and working around every form of fuel known to man since the early 90's, I am quite confident in my ability to state there is NO additive that "removes" water from fuel. You can catch it, you can drain it, you can slow the separation, but you CANNOT remove water from fuel with any snake oil in a bottle.

Re: have you ever used... [Re: Jeremy S.] #6430429 07/22/11 10:07 PM
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Negative. I have seen it cause a lot of problems in engines. I know there are a lot of people that swear by it and will bash me for speaking ill of it, but you will never find it in my tool box.


SO what is formulat X2... is this why you dont recomend sea foam?


Formula X2 is fuel stabilizer and fuel system cleaner. It also removes water from fuel. The biggest difference is that it contain less that 2% alcohol in it. It uses to detergents rather than solvents to clean the system.

It definitely takes more than 1 can of sea foam to cause problems in the system. It is a high alcohol content which is a solvent and eats at fuel lines. Much like ethanol.

I use X2 because it has proven itself for me and saved a lot of fuel that had water in it. X2 has been on the market over 30 years but until now was mostly used by big oil companies. They use it on offshore oil rigs in the pipelines that pump oil out of the ground. It protects the pipelines and also removes any water that may leak in.

Coast Guard also uses it in almost all of their boats and ships.


No offense man, but after having been in the aviation industry as quality assurance for 12 years, owning a hot rod shop, building more race car engines than most people will see in a lifetime, and working around every form of fuel known to man since the early 90's, I am quite confident in my ability to state there is NO additive that "removes" water from fuel. You can catch it, you can drain it, you can slow the separation, but you CANNOT remove water from fuel with any snake oil in a bottle.


You are right. There is nothing that can physically remove it. What X2 does is separate the hydrogen molecule form the oxygen molecule. When you break that bond water ceases to exist. You have hydrogen and oxygen only. I have tested this by putting fuel in a jar and and putting water in the fuel. I then add X2 and mix it into the fuel. You can see the oxygen bubbling out. Go to you tube and watch the special they did on ship shape tv. It explains it pretty well.

Re: have you ever used... [Re: TGM Not-So-Pro Team] #6430759 07/22/11 11:32 PM
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i did alot of you tubing and alot of people apply there seafoam diff

some spray it into there carbs --- others remove there water seperator fill it up with seafoam then run the engine

and third some just pour it into there gas tanks

((((how are yall doin this))))

thanks

Re: have you ever used... [Re: Captain - Noel Ibarra] #6431647 07/23/11 04:46 AM
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I would recomend using it in the fuel. There are directions on the can. I usualy run it ever other tank or ever three tanks mixed at one ounce of seafoam per gallon of gas.

You can get it at autozone, napa, orileys, and walmart. Walmart is usualy cheapest, but ocasionaly the parts houses will put it on sale for a good price.

Sea foam is not the only thing you can use, but it definately isnt what some of the first responses made it out to be. I have and will continue to use it.

matt

Re: have you ever used... [Re: redchevy] #6494410 08/09/11 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted By: redchevy
I would recomend using it in the fuel. There are directions on the can. I usualy run it ever other tank or ever three tanks mixed at one ounce of seafoam per gallon of gas.

You can get it at autozone, napa, orileys, and walmart. Walmart is usualy cheapest, but ocasionaly the parts houses will put it on sale for a good price.

Sea foam is not the only thing you can use, but it definately isnt what some of the first responses made it out to be. I have and will continue to use it.

matt


I would add that i have had excellent luck with seafoam, but i never leave much of it in the system for very long. I have cleaned a number of fuel injected engines, one being a friend who had a lexus with very rough idle.

Used the concentrated dose, ran the car for awhile, then let in sit for over a day, and ran it until most of it was gone.

Incredible improvement.

Otoh, I would not constantly dump a bottle in the tank and then let it slowly be used over a week or two on a regular basis. Seems unnecessary and perhaps a waste of money.

Re: have you ever used... [Re: Nocatchbass] #6494449 08/09/11 02:21 AM
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as to the water issue, get a filter that seperates water from fuel, much like with diesel engines, then remember to dump the water.

Read where some mercs used to have such filters, but many no longer do.

Even gas in airplanes---before the days of ethanol, had issues with condensation inside fuel tanks with atmosphere changes and so forth.

An old rule used to be that airplanes were to always have a full tank of gas when sitting to limit the amount of air and keep the air from inside condensing and causing moisture accumulation as much as possible.

So even if there were NOT the sorry junk we now get in gas, given how much mositure and water that a boat is exposed to, and then add the time the tank sits half full of gas, one should expect condensate from the atmosphere to get in the gas tank.

Add some ethonal, and the problem just gets worse, because unlike in days of old, this gas that sits, will have water issues sooner or later from the ethanol

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